So where will you go? (81:23)

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Miracles?

Yes, per Quran, every people of all times has a guide who can do miracles and the miracles are proof of his chosen status with God as well as proofs of God.

Try asking God, even mock him a bit, "If you are real and miracles have any truth, show me miracles", any sincerity or love in your prayer and I am guaranteeing God will respond, sometime in the future (don't know when).

 

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The Guide on earth is not like misguiding devils from humans and Jinn, he proves himself with clear miracles and proofs if you ask God sincerely, God will respond to you and guide to his path. His straight path is Quran and Ahlulbayt, and there is a Guide from Ahlulbayt (a) on earth who can do these miracles.

Miracles - just make yourself ready to accept them and not accuse the doer of being a sorcerer or possessed, and I am guaranteeing God will respond to you.

 

[Viker]

The Guide on earth is not like misguiding devils from humans and Jinn, he proves himself with clear miracles and proofs if you ask God sincerely, God will respond to you and guide to his path. His straight path is Quran and Ahlulbayt, and there is a Guide from Ahlulbayt (a) on earth who can do these miracles.

Miracles - just make yourself ready to accept them and not accuse the doer of being a sorcerer or possessed, and I am guaranteeing God will respond to you.

To that, God is a Devil. The guide is Luciferian.

 

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To that, God is a Devil. The guide is Luciferian.

We go at it till death but one day God the Creator will judge between us.

 

[ChristineM]

Yes, per Quran, every people of all times has a guide who can do miracles and the miracles are proof of his chosen status with God as well as proofs of God.

Try asking God, even mock him a bit, "If you are real and miracles have any truth, show me miracles", any sincerity or love in your prayer and I am guaranteeing God will respond, sometime in the future (don't know when).

Actually creating the miracle of life is nothing to do with a god but sex and nature. But you are welcome to your beliefs and i am sure you will offer me the same courtesy.

I do not ask bronze age mythological imaginings anything,. And making guaratees you cannot fullfil is not really a good idea for promoting your belief

 

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It's up to you, God would not care for us were it not for our prayers.

 

[ChristineM]

It's up to you, God would not care for us were it not for our prayers.

I wonder, did god care when a bomb took of my aunt's arm? Did god care when i was being raped and tortured? Did god care when the Titanic sank? Did god care when corona virus killed almost 4 million people? Did god care when my friends infant child was suffering from leukemia?

Don't tell me your god cares, there is far too much suffering in this world to even consider that argument. If your god exists he is a callous and evil monster who does not give a damn for humanity

But you have trust in him, thats up to you

 

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It's up to all of us to see past the smoke. I'm sorry for what you been through and what many humans been through. Life is a test, if we are patient for his sake, everything becomes easy no matter how hard the trial.

 

[ChristineM]

It's up to all of us to see past the smoke. I'm sorry for what you been through and what many humans been through. Life is a test, if we are patient for his sake, everything becomes easy no matter how hard the trial.

In your opinion.

 

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In your opinion.

Anyways, again, I'm sorry for what you been through. If you want to vent about it, you can, and pm me if you want. I'm sorry for what you been through.

 

[ChristineM]

Anyways, again, I'm sorry for what you been through. If you want to vent about it, you can, and pm me if you want. I'm sorry for what you been through.

Don't be sorry, but thanks for the concern.

 

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It's up to you, God would not care for us were it not for our prayers.

Why would God only care if we prayed to Him?

 

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Why would God only care if we prayed to Him?

If we ignore God, God ignores us. God chases us back to himself but if we want to be arrogant towards God, he has no need for us, and those who refuse to pray to him, it's really their choice. He didn't even make it a condition that you have to know he exists to worship him and pray to him. Rather, he will guide us if we pray to him no matter what state of ignorance or knowledge we are in.

 

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Don't tell me your god cares, there is far too much suffering in this world to even consider that argument.

I don't say God cares because it is impossible for me to believe that given my logical mind coupled with all the suffering I see in the world. One can only sustain such a belief if all they look at is scriptures and believe them in spite of what they see in the world that indicates otherwise.

Even if God is off the hook for the suffering caused by human free will choices, God is not off the hook for creating a world in which He knew so many people would suffer, some people so much more than others. I am not up for the religious apologetic that suffering is beneficial for people. In some cases it might be beneficial but not in all cases, so that leaves us having to ask why. I do not think I will ever find the answer in this life.

 

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If we ignore God, God ignores us.

That does not seem very loving to me so I wish believers would stop saying God is loving.
God is fully self-sufficient so God does not need humans for anything, so why would God want our prayers?

God chases us back to himself but if we want to be arrogant towards God, he has no need for us, and those who refuse to pray to him, it's really their choice. He didn't even make it a condition that you have to know he exists to worship him and pray to him. Rather, he will guide us if we pray to him no matter what state of ignorance or knowledge we are in.

I do not see lack of prayer as being arrogant. Why would someone pray to a God they do not believe exists?
Why would God only guide those who pray to Him? How could anyone ever know they are being guided by God? they can believe that but they cannot know that.

Why does God have to be worshiped and bowed down to? I know that it is supposed to be for our own benefit but it seems to me that there is more going on here.

 

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Why does God have to be worshiped and bowed down to? I know that it is supposed to be for our own benefit but it seems to me that there is more going on here.

To me, bowing down to God and worshipping God is about humility, and if I were more humble, and if were more humble, I would be able to receive more truth from God. I'm still working on it.

 

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Why would God only guide those who pray to Him?

That's a good question, actually. I don't think that being guided is limited to those who pray to Him.

 

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In some cases it might be beneficial but not in all cases, so that leaves us having to ask why. I do not think I will ever find the answer in this life.

I agree that in some cases it is not beneficial, but God will recompense such a person, I believe . As we cannot see them in the next life and what happens to them, that is a matter of faith. Sometimes, the suffering that is too great for people is the result of the free will actions of other people which God gives them, sometimes not. So why does God allow such suffering which is not the result of free will, then having to recompense them when He could have not have them suffer here if He wanted to, I don't have an answer to.

 

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He didn't even make it a condition that you have to know he exists to worship him and pray to him. Rather, he will guide us if we pray to him no matter what state of ignorance or knowledge we are in.

I don't understand the first sentence. You would have to know He exists to worship Him, at least, I would think. You could perhaps pray just in case He exists. He doesn't have to guide us if we pray to him, it's up to Him, I believe. It also depends on the sincerity of the prayer.

 

[Trailblazer]

To me, bowing down to God and worshipping God is about humility, and if I were more humble, and if were more humble, I would be able to receive more truth from God. I'm still working on it.

As I see it, a person can be humble without bowing down to God and worshiping God.
For example, people can be humble towards other people even if they do not believe in God. I see people like that on this forum all the time.

So there has to be another reason why God wants us to bow down to Him and to worship Him.
What do you mean by humility, admitting we are always wrong and God is always right, when we cannot possibly EVER know what God is thinking?

No, we cannot know what God is thinking just because of what Baha'u'llah wrote, we just *believe* we know, and the sad thing is that Baha'is are subject to the very same errors that all religious people make when they *believe* they know what scriptures mean and base their entire lives upon these beliefs.