Solution to homosexuals is by government executions according to Pastor.

[SkepticThinker]

You probably don't know but nice amount of Christians would rather avoid talking about God in public, some feel unconfortable about it, forums are specific though since we're behind an avatar and nobody sees our ugly faces.

How about the ones that come to my house and knock on my door?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

You should watch video, it's much more informative.

I took your advice and watched the video.
Based on that, I would like to change my last post. It should now read as follows;

You read that article and wasted several minutes of your life watching that video, and that was your response?
WTF?!

 

[firedragon]

Pastor says "solution" to gay people is executions: It's in the Bible

Wow.


Is it me, or is there an unusual amount of hate going on in Christianity today?

Which pastor said that?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

No video needed.
Anything in excess can be a problem...
Drinking water
Religiosity
Altruism
Greed
Those things can be good or bad, same as pride.

I'm confused by the 'watching a video of yourself talking' thing, but for what it's worth, I've done that many times, in a variety of contexts.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

Which pastor said that?

There is a linked article, and in the article is a video of a presentation the pastor in question did to a local government body (I think...US politics is slightly different to Australian).

 

[Twilight Hue]

You cannot take a few examples of extreme free speech and use that to define a group of 1 billion people. This is like throwing out most of the data, so very limited data fits your desired curve. That is not how science works. This is more how propaganda works.

If you look at evolution, it is based on natural selection and sexual reproduction. Natural selection results in the best examples being chosen. While reproduction allows this to become engrained in the DNA. If you were selected, but do not breed, you are not fully part of evolution, since both factors need to be applied.

By its very nature, homosexual is not part of evolution, since this behavior cannot breed itself, into the DNA pool, to make it a part of the permanent evolutionary record. This implies homosexual is not natural; product of natural selection and evolution, but more of a cultural phenomena. It is more connected to will, choice and psychological inductions.

I am not making a value judgement, but this distinction is needed to make sure we approach this in a rational way, not based on genes that are not there, but based on cultural inductions. Homosexuality is connected to a long term cultural systemic affect, that appears to be part of all cultures, but is not fully conscious. This induction tends to produce the same result, generation after generation all over the earth.

My guess is homosexuality is connected to the observation of the strong bonds between mother and son, and father and daughter. Say these bonds were very close, a son's potential wife or a daughter's potential husband may create jealousy in their close parent, if there appears to be an alienation of affection. But if they become part of the other team; homosexuality, there is more security for the parents; remain number 1.

Mothers often make life hard on their son's wife, unless she is with the matriarchs program. But if the son's wife is willful and she has her own agenda, the son will be placed in the middle having to choose, even though he loves and chooses both. The Father and his daughters husband have similar dynamics. From the POV of a son or daughter dating, and getting this treatment, the solution to make peace for all may require playing on the other team; homosexual. The mother is less likely to stand in the way or sense alienation of affection; extra son to love.

After the breakup of the nuclear family, with the father often not present, the mother-son connection would have become stronger, than the father-daughter, due to living arrangements. One would expect a rise in gay inductions to help maintain the bond with a lonely mother without a mate. The daughters will lose their father and become closer to the mother, but have some trust issues with males. Two different affects.

In the Bible, gay behavior is frown upon, but lesbian is not really mentioned. I would attribute this to war and the father not around, leaving behind women and children, so the family break up scenario above plays out. Women remained more like women; Adam, while young men were altered by lonely woman; Eve. This affect also led to recruits for the church; celibacy. It is part of human nature gone astray due to will and choice.

True. One cannot define on a basis of a few , but Abrahamic religion undeniably, have and has produced the most violent religious groups ever in world history that have yet to be paralleled to this day.

All the way from Catholicism, Judaism, and Islam.

Crusades to Jihad.

 

[firedragon]

There is a linked article, and in the article is a video of a presentation the pastor in question did to a local government body (I think...US politics is slightly different to Australian).

I am so sorry. I don't know why the link looked like plain text to me earlier. I just watched the video.

Thank you.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I am so sorry. I don't know why the link looked like plain text to me earlier. I just watched the video.

Thank you.

It's all good. I don't tend to watch videos too much, but one of the other members suggested I should watch it to better understand the issue, and so I did. But my thoughts remained unchanged despite it.

 

[ChristineM]

You probably don't know but nice amount of Christians would rather avoid talking about God in public, some feel unconfortable about it, forums are specific though since we're behind an avatar and nobody sees our ugly faces.

I also know there are a nice amount of Christians who would rather talk of nothing else and feel comfortable enough to shout it in the streets or knock on doors.

P.S. i was once a Christian. Not precisely the same thing caused my to leave but it was certainly bigotry and hatred of difference.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm confused by the 'watching a video of yourself talking' thing, but for what it's worth, I've done that many times, in a variety of contexts.

I know when to avoid videos.
(It's a gift.)

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I know when to avoid vidoes.
(It's a gift.)

Heh...part of my teacher training was to watch videos of myself delivering lessons.

More lately it's been speeches (weddings, work conferences, etc)

 

[firedragon]

It's all good. I don't tend to watch videos too much, but one of the other members suggested I should watch it to better understand the issue, and so I did. But my thoughts remained unchanged despite it.

I have seen this video prior to this. But I didn't know the presentation was at a political event. For some time I tend to avoid people who make such extreme claims using theological exegesis.

But I must say my thoughts also remained unchanged after watching the video.

 

[Revoltingest]

Heh...part of my teacher training was to watch videos of myself delivering lessons.

More lately it's been speeches (weddings, work conferences, etc)

Watching oneself in a video can cause hairy knuckles.

 

[Link]

Salam

I believe it is as Imam Hassan Alaskari (a) tafsir said. Humans can't be forced out of sin or to do good. They must be reasoned with. This is why I believe if you steal, cutting off hands means stopping them for the moment and then changing them in house arrest or jail, to change conduct. Same with Zina (fornication) as described in Surah Nisa.

The lashes in Surah Noor might be about Du'a Jawthan Al-Kabir which is meant to be armor but is also metaphorical lashes on the dark souls deviating to return to light. The witnessing of believers to their "punishment" can be that when Surah Nisa says to put them in their houses and to bother them when they are there, that they get bothered about their sins. Combining the verses, we see "lashes" is metaphorical about them being "bothered" about their sins.

Another thing that supports this is when the verse in Surah Hud about Salah was revealed, that good acts repel/remove evil actions, it was revealed when a person committed Zina and told the Prophet (s), and he told them to pray a certain prayer.

 

[paradox]

My granddaughter (who is 5) was very proud of her homework ... is that a sin? Is she evil?
And people wonder why religion is dying out.

That's not what I'm talking about, see video in post #18

I also know there are a nice amount of Christians who would rather talk of nothing else and feel comfortable enough to shout it in the streets or knock on doors.

I don't consider those door knockers Christians, they are mostly sent by sects that have nothing to do with Christianity.

No video needed.
Anything in excess can be a problem...
Drinking water
Religiosity
Altruism
Greed
Those things can be good or bad, same as pride.

Watching a video of yourself can help a lot to improve your persona and communication skills
it's not only about talking but also how you hold yourself.

it's especially working method for over proud ones since they could realize their stupidity better than somebody else telling them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Watching a video of yourself can help a lot to improve your persona and communication skills
it's not only about talking but also how you hold yourself.

I don't want to improve.
And I avoid communication in person.

 

[ChristineM]

I don't consider those door knockers Christians, they are mostly sent by sects that have nothing to do with Christianity.

Im pretty sure they would say the same about you...Don't you just love the way Christianity is fragmenting.

 

[Mock Turtle]

If you look at evolution, it is based on natural selection and sexual reproduction. Natural selection results in the best examples being chosen. While reproduction allows this to become engrained in the DNA. If you were selected, but do not breed, you are not fully part of evolution, since both factors need to be applied.

By its very nature, homosexual is not part of evolution, since this behavior cannot breed itself, into the DNA pool, to make it a part of the permanent evolutionary record. This implies homosexual is not natural; product of natural selection and evolution, but more of a cultural phenomena. It is more connected to will, choice and psychological inductions.

I am not making a value judgement, but this distinction is needed to make sure we approach this in a rational way, not based on genes that are not there, but based on cultural inductions. Homosexuality is connected to a long term cultural systemic affect, that appears to be part of all cultures, but is not fully conscious. This induction tends to produce the same result, generation after generation all over the earth.

So the evidence that homosexual behaviour seems to be common in so many other species would have no impact on this belief? This seemingly making it more natural for whatever reasons, and perhaps down to purely chemical or biological effects - given we are all born as individuals on a spectrum as to all sorts of characteristics, so wouldn't sexual orientation be perhaps one of these?

 

[paradox]

Im pretty sure they would say the same about you...Don't you just love the way Christianity is fragmenting.

Yes it's fascinating how protestant church has fragmented into million of pieces, yet orthodox and catholic church suffered no fragmentation at all except one in 1054.

 

[Link]

True. One cannot define on a basis of a few , but Abrahamic religion undeniably, have and has produced the most violent religious groups ever in world history that have yet to be paralleled to this day.

All the way from Catholicism, Judaism, and Islam.

Crusades to Jihad.

Can you provide evidence to that. Historically, every "rising" civilization was violent. Gengis Khan was neither Christian, Jewish nor Muslim.