"Some Feminists are Man-Haters"

[Revoltingest]

The answer is B

The 80 year-old man is a myth. No man lives that long! ***silently hoping you're not eighty yet***

Statistically, I won't be posting anymore in 15 years.
"Privilege" becomes greatly reduced after death.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/10/08/us-life-expectancy-hits-record-high/16874039/

 

[Flankerl]

I am a man and at the VERY most I can only tolerate men. For most though I hate. Yeah I hate most of my own kind. Why look at all the oppression we have caused to women. No I am not joking and no I am not getting a sex change because I wouldn't feel the same things as a woman if I did. So I am forced to remain a man.

I am sorry but that is not a very healthy way of thinking and sounds more like you need help by a psychologist.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It still boggles my mind that so many still do not get, understand, or accept the concept of privilege, and automatically thinking you have to feel guilty for having those privileges. I think my favorite example is a shade of white privilege, in that it's typically automatically assumed that thug/glorification of thugs is the same thing as black culture, how people complain about the way the dress and how the music they listen to is meant to drive people away. This tickles my funny bone because I pretty much always see more white people with their pants hanging down, and no one sees my pseudo-Satanic heavy metal shirts and piercings and thinks "white culture." Nope. I'm white. White culture didn't cause that, the Devil did. I remember after my last knee surgery, hobbling in a gas station on crutches, and stuffing my pockets (Tripp pants, lots of chains, very baggy, and lots of very big and very deep pockets) with the stuff I was buying, and no one assumed or thought I was shop lifting, but it's not unusual for a black person to just walk in the door and people assume they're thieves.

 

[Estro Felino]

I am a man and at the VERY most I can only tolerate men. For most though I hate. Yeah I hate most of my own kind. Why look at all the oppression we have caused to women. .

I appreciate your honesty. By the way...men have always been a mystery to me, especially their relationship with women. I don't understand why most of you don't get that if you are sweet, sensitive and kind to women, you won't lose your manhood. Many of you think that being dominant and bossy to women is what makes you men.
I just hope you're different.

 

[Kori]

I am sorry but that is not a very healthy way of thinking and sounds more like you need help by a psychologist.

I am mentally ill. I have severe depression. I'm bi-polar type 2 and I'm Schizotypal. Since the third one is lesser known here is what it is: Schizotypal personality disorder (STPD) or schizotypal disorder is a mental disorder characterized by severe social anxiety, paranoia, and often unconventional beliefs.

But if you been paying attention to my posts none of that should be a surprise.

 

[LittlePinky82]

So the half starved, filthy clothed, poverty stricken man sleeping under benches around my suburb is automatically more privileged than I, because he is male? How exactly? Is male privilege keeping the poor man alive? Keeping him warm and giving him solace as he struggles to survive day to day? Is he happy because of his privileged existence?
I don't mean to sound callous toward the man's unfortunate plight, but... I'd rather have my employment, money, food, house, car and clothes than "male privilege" any day of the week.

Yes, you still have more power than your female counter parts. You're looking at it from you alone and not you part of a group system. That's your problem. If you have a female in the same situation in your scenario you're going to have the power in the situation. And if you're white you're going to have more power than your non-white counter part. I suggest you read some sociology on the matter.

 

[9Westy9]

Yes, you still have more power than your female counter parts. You're looking at it from you alone and not you part of a group system. That's your problem. If you have a female in the same situation in your scenario you're going to have the power in the situation.

Because everyone knows that privilege is based on gender and race, rather than things like economic and social standing.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Because everyone knows that privilege is based on gender and race, rather than things like economic and social standing.

You're just going to have more power if you're a man than if you're a woman. That's just how the structure is and has been for many years now. You refusing to accept it doesn't change it.

Speaking of economics and social standing you're going to have more power. See the gender wage gap.

This is just perfect. It just shows just how lacking in honesty and critical analysis feminist ideology is. You know admittedly little about my country but you are willing to make judgement on my country and many other countries in the world because feminist ideology has told you what to think. Even the fact that there are matriarchal societies in the world where men have no property rights does not deter you from proclaiming that all men everywhere have more privilege. Yours is not an evidence based approach. Your approach is to draw conclusions first and then find ways to apply that conclusion to everyone in the world. Your approach is an example of why I believe gender studies are more akin to a religion (and a fundamentalist one at that) than a science.

You not being able to own property doesn't take away your privilege. I have plenty of family members who are male and don't own property and still have more privilege in society than I do as a woman.

You all don't really seem to have a clue as to what privilege is.

Here you go. I doubt you will read anything but here it is for people who might-

http://everydayfeminism.com/2012/12/how-to-talk-to-someone-about-privilege/

http://www.agjohnson.us/glad/what-is-a-system-of-privilege/

http://www.tolerance.org/article/racism-and-white-privilege

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...h_our_conversation_about_white_privilege.html

I included some with race as well.

 

[9Westy9]

You're just going to have more power if you're a man than if you're a woman. That's just how the structure is and has been for many years now. You refusing to accept it doesn't change it.

Speaking of economics and social standing you're going to have more power. See the gender wage gap.

because a homeless white man has so much privilege. Also if I was to work in a low paid job I'd be earning less than the average woman. This insistence on talking about gender and race privilege is absurd when there's a much bigger divide between the poor and the wealthy. It's an attempt to paint all people of a certain gender or race as "privileged" despite how ridiculous the notion is.

 

[LittlePinky82]

because a homeless white man has so much privilege. Also if I was to work in a low paid job I'd be earning less than the average woman. This insistence on talking about gender and race privilege is absurd when there's a much bigger divide between the poor and the wealthy. It's an attempt to paint all people of a certain gender or race as "privileged" despite how ridiculous the notion is.

Again you really have no clue what privilege is. I suggest some reading material for you. I doubt you will read it though-

http://everydayfeminism.com/2012/12/how-to-talk-to-someone-about-privilege/

http://www.agjohnson.us/glad/what-is-a-system-of-privilege/

http://www.tolerance.org/article/racism-and-white-privilege

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...h_our_conversation_about_white_privilege.html

From the second link-

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It’s important to note that privilege does not guarantee good outcomes for the privileged group or bad outcomes for everyone else. A white person, for example, can work hard and have little to show for it, can be mistreated by the police without cause, be denied a job they’re qualified for. What privilege does is load the odds one way or the other so that the chance of bad things happening to white people as a category of people is much lower than for everyone else, and the chance of good things happening is much higher. Privilege is not something a person can have, like a possession, as in “Where’s mine?” Instead, it is a characteristic of the social system—like a rule in a game—in which everyone participates.

A system of privilege—a family, a workplace, a society—is organized around three basic principles: dominance, identification, and centeredness. >

And this is the same with privilege with gender.

This is just perfect. It just shows just how lacking in honesty and critical analysis feminist ideology is. You know admittedly little about my country but you are willing to make judgement on my country and many other countries in the world because feminist ideology has told you what to think. Even the fact that there are matriarchal societies in the world where men have no property rights does not deter you from proclaiming that all men everywhere have more privilege. Yours is not an evidence based approach. Your approach is to draw conclusions first and then find ways to apply that conclusion to everyone in the world. Your approach is an example of why I believe gender studies are more akin to a religion (and a fundamentalist one at that) than a science.

This is the perfect response-

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It’s important to note that privilege does not guarantee good outcomes for the privileged group or bad outcomes for everyone else. A white person, for example, can work hard and have little to show for it, can be mistreated by the police without cause, be denied a job they’re qualified for. What privilege does is load the odds one way or the other so that the chance of bad things happening to white people as a category of people is much lower than for everyone else, and the chance of good things happening is much higher. Privilege is not something a person can have, like a possession, as in “Where’s mine?” Instead, it is a characteristic of the social system—like a rule in a game—in which everyone participates.

A system of privilege—a family, a workplace, a society—is organized around three basic principles: dominance, identification, and centeredness.>

Link-
http://www.agjohnson.us/glad/what-is-a-system-of-privilege/

Other wise you're just repeating the same thing you did before so see my previous posts to you. So, I find it quite amusing you're talking about me with my approach but what have you done? Just repeated the same thing over and over again. Hence why I stopped talking to you. You're still pointing to the same example of a queen and where men don't have property rights and you're just really repeating yourself and not saying anything new or interesting or informative. It really doesn't seem like you have much else to offer. So unless you have something else interesting or new or informative to add I'm just not going to respond anymore.

And please don't personally insult me with "feminism telling me what to say." I'm a 33 young adult woman with a college education and have studied psychology, sociology, and criminology along with my degree's. If you can't talk to me without going that route please just don't and save us both the trouble. Thanks. I would appreciate it.

And, as the Slate article said, it's not about what you get it's what about the other people don't get.


If you think gender studies is a religion you're ridiculous. It's sociology.

 

[Flankerl]

But if you been paying attention to my posts none of that should be a surprise.

I am not up to date with everything every single member of this Forum writes. No one is.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

Because everyone knows that privilege is based on gender and race, rather than things like economic and social standing.

Class is included in socio-economic privilege among other qualifiers. Think more nuanced and webbed and intersecting circles instead of linear-ladder frameworks of the term.

 

[Kori]

I am not up to date with everything every single member of this Forum writes. No one is.

That was a joke.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you think gender studies is a religion you're ridiculous. It's sociology.

Sociology, psychology, and anthropology. Humanities in general tend to have gender studies.

 

[LittlePinky82]

Sociology, psychology, and anthropology. Humanities in general tend to have gender studies.

Yes. I mostly studied things in sociology and psychology myself.

 

[Kori]

Class is included in socio-economic privilege among other qualifiers. Think more nuanced and webbed and intersecting circles instead of linear-ladder frameworks of the term.

Hmm.

 

[Thanda]

You not being able to own property doesn't take away your privilege. I have plenty of family members who are male and don't own property and still have more privilege in society than I do as a woman.

You all don't really seem to have a clue as to what privilege is.

Here you go. I doubt you will read anything but here it is for people who might-

http://everydayfeminism.com/2012/12/how-to-talk-to-someone-about-privilege/

http://www.agjohnson.us/glad/what-is-a-system-of-privilege/

http://www.tolerance.org/article/racism-and-white-privilege

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...h_our_conversation_about_white_privilege.html

I included some with race as well.

So LP let me understand exactly what you're saying: You're saying that no matter how stacked against men the structure of a society is they are still more privileged than their female counterparts? Are you trying to say that men have a natural superiority over women that exists no matter what circumstances find themselves in?

Your views are quite shocking to be honest!

 

[LittlePinky82]

So LP let me understand exactly what you're saying: You're saying that no matter how stacked against men the structure of a society is they are still more privileged than their female counterparts? Are you trying to say that men have a natural superiority over women that exists no matter what circumstances find themselves in?

Your views are quite shocking to be honest!

I explained to you what privilege was and even included some reading material from other people who say it better than I do but it's obvious you didn't even bother to read it. You don't even seem to have read about privilege that I included in the post.

I'm not insulted by your so-called "shock." It's obvious you're anti-feminist and refuse to accept, or even acknowledge, your own privilege in society. That's your prerogative.

 

[Thanda]

I explained to you what privilege was and even included some reading material from other people who say it better than I do but it's obvious you didn't even bother to read it. You don't even seeem to have read about privilege that I included in the post.

And your views are shocking to me that you refuse to see and acknowledge the issue. So, really, I'm not insulted.

Of course I didn't read. This is not the first time I have come across the concept. And I have read many articles about it before. What I have objected to is not the possibility that privilege exists. I have objected to your judging of societies you have not investigated and about which have admitted knowing next to nothing. How do you know there is privilege in a place you know nothing about? It is because you believe in the idea of privilege like it is an article of faith. To you, it appears, it must be true, always...everywhere.

 

[9Westy9]

Again you really have no clue what privilege is. I suggest some reading material for you. I doubt you will read it though-

http://everydayfeminism.com/2012/12/how-to-talk-to-someone-about-privilege/

http://www.agjohnson.us/glad/what-is-a-system-of-privilege/

http://www.tolerance.org/article/racism-and-white-privilege

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...h_our_conversation_about_white_privilege.html

From the second link-

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It’s important to note that privilege does not guarantee good outcomes for the privileged group or bad outcomes for everyone else. A white person, for example, can work hard and have little to show for it, can be mistreated by the police without cause, be denied a job they’re qualified for. What privilege does is load the odds one way or the other so that the chance of bad things happening to white people as a category of people is much lower than for everyone else, and the chance of good things happening is much higher. Privilege is not something a person can have, like a possession, as in “Where’s mine?” Instead, it is a characteristic of the social system—like a rule in a game—in which everyone participates.

A system of privilege—a family, a workplace, a society—is organized around three basic principles: dominance, identification, and centeredness. >

And this is the same with privilege with gender.

Of course I get it. It's the idea that someone has/ does not have privilege based on things like race or gender. My point is why focus on those so much when there's a much more pronounced difference between poor and wealthy.

Even if I was to assume that I'm more privileged than other people, based on my gender and skin colour, why should I care?