Some things I am noticing

[We Never Know]

It wasn't replaced, as I already explained. But that's not my point. I mentioned GID because your link did, and you said it was removed for what could be 'political correctness' reasons.

Also, it was removed earlier in the DSM than the WHO guidelines, which are independent from the DSM. Which is why it changed in 2019. As someone else pointed out to you, the relevance of the DSM is much smaller than people think. It's not the say-all-be-all of diagnostic medicine.

But here:
Do we agree that being transgender is not a mental illness?

You even noted yourself GID was removed in 2013 in your post #86.

I agreed it was and and was replaced with gender dysphoria in post #87

" "With the publication of DSM–5 in 2013, “gender identity disorder” was eliminated and replaced with “gender dysphoria.” This change further focused the diagnosis on the gender identity-related distress that some transgender people experience (and for which they may seek psychiatric, medical, and surgical treatments)"

Psychiatry.org - Gender Dysphoria Diagnosis)

Are you disputing that?

 

[ADigitalArtist]

You even noted yourself GID was removed in 2013 in your post #86.

I agreed it was and and was replaced with gender dysphoria in post #87

" "With the publication of DSM–5 in 2013, “gender identity disorder” was eliminated and replaced with “gender dysphoria.” This change further focused the diagnosis on the gender identity-related distress that some transgender people experience (and for which they may seek psychiatric, medical, and surgical treatments)"

Psychiatry.org - Gender Dysphoria Diagnosis)

Are you disputing that?

It was removed from the DSM in 2012 (2013 if you're going by publication rather than the final press release version).
It was removed from WHO guidelines in 2018, which weren't based on the DSM.

I dispute the word replace because that implies an updated version of the same disorder, at least to me. Gender dysphoria is neither a disorder nor is it something that just impacts trans people or impacts all trans people.

But you've not answered my question: Do we agree that being transgender isn't a mental illness?

 

[We Never Know]

It was removed from the DSM in 2012 (2013 if you're going by publication rather than the final press release version).
It was removed from WHO guidelines in 2018, which weren't based on the DSM.

I dispute the word replace because that implies an updated version of the same disorder, at least to me. Gender dysphoria is neither a disorder nor is it something that just impacts trans people or impacts all trans people.

But you've not answered my question: Do we agree that being transgender isn't a mental illness?

Wrong again lol. In 2019 the WHO....

The World Health Organization Will Stop Classifying Transgender People as Having a 'Mental Disorder'

WHO Drops Being Transgender from List of Mental Disorders | Time

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Wrong again lol. In 2019 the WHO....

The World Health Organization Will Stop Classifying Transgender People as Having a 'Mental Disorder'

WHO Drops Being Transgender from List of Mental Disorders | Time

Please answer my question.

 

[We Never Know]

It was removed from the DSM in 2012 (2013 if you're going by publication rather than the final press release version).
It was removed from WHO guidelines in 2018, which weren't based on the DSM.

I dispute the word replace because that implies an updated version of the same disorder, at least to me. Gender dysphoria is neither a disorder nor is it something that just impacts trans people or impacts all trans people.

But you've not answered my question: Do we agree that being transgender isn't a mental illness?

You've hit bottom and been shown wrong several times.
The good thing is from the bottom there is not place left to go but up.
Start going up lol

 

[We Never Know]

Please answer my question.

When you answer the many I have asked, then your question will come next. Until then lol

 

[ADigitalArtist]

When you answer the many I have asked, then your question will come next. Until then lol

Okay. I'll just conclude that you're like so many transphobes refusing to answer a simple question about the overwhelming science showing transgender people aren't mentally ill, and trying to obfuscate that through lots of red herrings and poor reading of material.

 

[We Never Know]

Please answer my question.

I will give your this....
1. I have said I don't think its normal
2. I never said it was a mental disorder
3. I said a mental disorder book is what is use to diagnose and treat it and even provided the link.

You can take from that you want as you already have an accused me of several things I did not say.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

I will give your this....
1. I have said I don't think its normal
2. I never said it was a mental disorder
3. I said a mental disorder book is what is use to diagnose and treat it and even provided the link.

You can take from that you want as you already have an accused me of several things I did not say.

You're dancing around the question and it's not fooling anyone.

Do we agree that being transgender is not a mental illness, yes or no?

 

[We Never Know]

Okay. I'll just conclude that you're like so many transphobes refusing to answer a simple question about the overwhelming science showing transgender people aren't mentally ill, and trying to obfuscate that through lots of red herrings and poor reading of material.

In my opinion transphobe is just a BS name giving to people who don't think its normal.
They have been labeled so they label us to make themselves feel better.

 

[We Never Know]

You're dancing around the question and it's not fooling anyone.

Do we agree that being transgender is not a mental illness, yes or no?

See post #146

 

[ADigitalArtist]

In my opinion transphobe is just a BS name giving to people who don't think its normal.
They have been labeled so they label us to make themselves feel better.

*I* don't think it's normal. If by normal we mean the median majority. But neither is red hair or green eyes or a number of other traits. That's not the issue and you know it.

See post #146

No. If you can't give me a simple yes or no then I stand by what I said.

 

[We Never Know]

*I* don't think it's normal. If by normal we mean the median majority. But neither is red hair or green eyes or a number of other traits. That's not the issue and you know it.


No. If you can't give me a simple yes or no then I stand by what I said.

Then stand there until your legs get numb and you faint. My post in #146 will stand there too

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Then stand there until your legs get numb and you faint. My post in #146 will stand there too

K, nice knowing you, person who hates being called a transphobe but can't let go of transphobic beliefs not based in any way on science.

 

[We Never Know]

K, nice knowing you, person who hates being called a transphobe but can't let go of transphobic beliefs not based in any way on science.

Sorry you lost your composure. You may be a transgender, I don't know. Either way I would think no less of you.

Cheers lol

 

[rational experiences]

If I was just a balanced human thinker I wouldn't believe any type of science

As your practice living as a human controls your total mind thinking.

If science destroys life and only survivors live basic non greedy status living is instantly gone.

Is a humans reasonable reason.

As for a human fact. Natural life isn't science. Your thoughts don't own why.

A human father sperm donor.
A human mother ovary owner body baby life growth.

The baby born.

Body type created by the act human sex not any God type nor any control of a God type of a humans personality disorder the scientist.

As an aware natural spiritual conscious human innate medical awareness in the presence of nature and family is always real.

Not science. Not termed science. No egotists. No self destructive behaviour. No machines.

So if you remove your humans AI control then you get to see the real human.

Self owned.
Self living.
Self conceived.

Not judged until the human science judge and jury measure is applied.

Once humans expressing variable behaviours was family cared for. Recognised as different accepted born that way and we just lived.

Science trying to AI by machine control every aspect of being have lost their own minds. No doubt about it.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Sorry you lost your composure. You may be a transgender, I don't know. Either way I would think no less of you.

Cheers lol

Nah, I'm not trans. But I am supportive of my trans friends, as well as my other LGBT friends, and wouldn't keep around people who think my friend's identity was based on mental illness, unnatural, etc. Which is definitely thinking less of them.

 

[We Never Know]

Nah, I'm not trans. But I am supportive of my trans friends, as well as my other LGBT friends, and wouldn't keep around people who think my friend's identity was based on mental illness, unnatural, etc. Which is definitely thinking less of them.

And there you have it. Someone who doesn't agree but thinks no less of them, is looked down on and thought less of.

Talk about hypocritical Lmao.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

And there you have it. Someone who doesn't agree but thinks no less of them, is looked down on and thought less of.

Talk about hypocritical Lmao.

I have no problem thinking less of people with prejudicial or bigoted views but pretends they're not to appear the victim. Lol.

 

[We Never Know]

I have no problem thinking less of people with prejudicial or bigoted views but pretends they're not to appear the victim. Lol.

So if some doesn't agree its bigoted and prejudice? Be careful because that can go both ways.

With that I'm done. I"ve wasted enough time on you.