Demonslayer
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Sweet. I can't imagine what that day will feel like.
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Space Travel Purpose?
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Sweet. I can't imagine what that day will feel like.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
You ever see that AT&T commercial where they are forecasting future events and people are huddled around their phones and tablets to watch them as a group?
When they showed the one of someone pressing their bootprints into Martian soil, I legit teared up... Felt like Harry and Lloyd in their Aspen suite... It'll feel something like that.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
Our understanding of time is limited to the relative speed of familiar objects on this familiar planet. That standard gives us something to wrap our heads around, but it is not Universal. When we remove ourselves from familiar surroundings and observe how time passes in two different places, we can evidence this.I wish I could wrap my little head around this kind of stuff!
So imagine that today you woke up with the ability to move twice as fast as anything else in your life. You walked faster, talked faster, moved faster, thought faster... everything. If that were the case, all of the stuff that you experienced around you would appear to take a ridiculously long amount of time to complete. From your perspective, it would seem like the whole world moved in slow motion. Even the watch on your hand would be clicking twice as fast as the clock on the office wall... But to the rest of us, you'd simply be jolting around, speaking too quickly for us to keep up and getting tasks done before we ever started. Your understanding of time in that world would be very different from ours. You would see your time as a standard and we would do the same for ours. It's not too much more complicated than that.
Huge amounts of gravity do the same thing. By warping the space around them, larger objects are essentially speeding things up by closing the space/time gap between them with their mass.
Sitting in the center of a merry-go-round spins you faster than holding on for dear life on the outside.
It's all just relativity.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Awesome, I'll have my powder blue suit pressed for the occasion!
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
This is me after two double espressos.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
And then Matthew McConaughey ends up floating around behind a bookshelf.
jonathan180iq
Well-Known Member
Or a couple of gas station Yellowjackets.
Great post! I can wrap my mind around that.
Oh, the Sun. But that's billions of years from now.
Demonslayer
Well-Known Member
Maybe the final Game of Thrones novels will come out by then.
Right, anything else is speculation at best. Further, trying to put a timetable on those speculations would be pretty tough.
gnostic
The Lost One
Awesome! (well not awesome since we all die, but you know...) Thank you for the correction.
Oh, we will be long dead before the sun become a red giant star...not unless you have figured out to live for another 4 or 5 billion years.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
time does not exist
motion does and the movement distorts everything
when I was younger someone said.....
approaching the speed of light 'time' slows down
they stopped short of saying it stops
it was also said mass of the moving object increases
proportionate to the velocity
again stopping short of infinity
I suspect ......the only way we will ever get to a distance place....
is to surrender our bodies and go in spirit
anyone care to speculate black holes as territory of exploration?
motion does and the movement distorts everything
when I was younger someone said.....
approaching the speed of light 'time' slows down
they stopped short of saying it stops
it was also said mass of the moving object increases
proportionate to the velocity
again stopping short of infinity
I suspect ......the only way we will ever get to a distance place....
is to surrender our bodies and go in spirit
anyone care to speculate black holes as territory of exploration?
Yeah, they stopped short of saying time stops or that mass becomes infinite because it never quite does under the mathematics of the theory. Nor is the slowing of time or increase of mass as velocity increases "proportional" (that is, it is not a fixed rate of change)...it follows an exponential relationship...
You don't accept relativity, so I don't see any reason for us to have this conversation again, since you won't bother to provide an actual alternative model of reality (or actually learn how relativity works)
Thief
Rogue Theologian
models in a simple discussion like this?
why not ask me to cut off my leg?
but I reiterate......we are not leaving the solar system in body
beyond this system is nothing but a chair in a vessel
and a slow death
if you go by body and ship
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
How about from the Earth to Alpha Cen
Near the speed of light, theoretically the space travelers' aging processes almost cease ....so then journeys of thousands, tens of thousands, and perhaps even millions of light years become theoretically possible. Fwiw, if aging ceased completely at light speed, one could travel the universe forever...
However there is science being done on FTL (faster than light) space travel....breakfast with the family....meeting at Alpha Cantauri at lunch time, and back for dinner with the family in the evening.. Here is interesting theory wrt FTL zpe warp drive presented at NASA Breakthrough Propulsion Physics workshop.... http://www.padrak.com/ine/ZPEFLIGHT.html
Sure it is possible to go interstellar....in the body...only 1g acceleration required..."If a ship is using 1 g constant acceleration, it will approach the speed of light in about a year, and have traveled about half a light year in distance." .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_travel_using_constant_acceleration#Interstellar_traveling_speeds ....To get to the nearest star system.....Alpha Centauri, which is located 4.37 light years away, it would take about 5 years.
Near the speed of light, theoretically the space travelers' aging processes almost cease ....so then journeys of thousands, tens of thousands, and perhaps even millions of light years become theoretically possible. Fwiw, if aging ceased completely at light speed, one could travel the universe forever...
However there is science being done on FTL (faster than light) space travel....breakfast with the family....meeting at Alpha Cantauri at lunch time, and back for dinner with the family in the evening.. Here is interesting theory wrt FTL zpe warp drive presented at NASA Breakthrough Propulsion Physics workshop.... http://www.padrak.com/ine/ZPEFLIGHT.html
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or this alternative, which literally bends (warps) space...
There are only a few technical problems...getting rid of heat within the warp bubble...navigating...the negative matter necessary to warp space...
There are only a few technical problems...getting rid of heat within the warp bubble...navigating...the negative matter necessary to warp space...
Ben Dhyan
Veteran Member
Yes...planet Earth's science is in its infancy, but the technological know how appears to be unfolding at an accelerating rate.....per ardua ad astra.. https://integratedspaceanalytics.com/cms/content/integrated-space-plan-2015-edition
interesting...I'm glad to see someone is thinking ahead in a systematic and more or less realistic way...although I have my doubts about how soon these things will happen, vis-a-vis the timeline here...Yes...planet Earth's science is in its infancy, but the technological know how appears to be unfolding at an accelerating rate.....per ardua ad astra.. https://integratedspaceanalytics.com/cms/content/integrated-space-plan-2015-edition