Spawn of the Devil or New American Love Story?

[Sunstone]

So, what do y'all think of Brokeback Mountain? Spawn of the Devil, or new American love story? Do you think the movie will influence people to be more tolerant of homosexual sex between cowboys? Or is getting people to be tolerant of sex between cowboys a lost cause? I patiently await your answers.

 

[Pardus]

/Opens eyes
I guess it's pointless debating it homosexuals can't practise it anyway, nature's law has decided that. Homosexuals can't have procreational sex, the 'sex' they practice is for pleasure and expressing love, if you think that sex is required to express love, but that another debate.

Acctually everyone can procreate (barring medical conditions), my belief is that homosexually is natures way of saying you shouldn't, i know some will be offended by this but atleast i'm not calling you evil.

There acctually is a certain portion of our population that has no interest in sex, asexual if you will.

The thing that annoys me about anti-homosexual religious nuts is that just sit back and say to themselves "What do i care, i'm going to heaven and they're not.", they have to cause trouble.

 

[Nehustan]

So, what do y'all think of Brokeback Mountain? Spawn of the Devil, or new American love story? Do you think the movie will influence people to be more tolerant of homosexual sex between cowboys? Or is getting people to be tolerant of sex between cowboys a lost cause? I patiently await your answers.

Deja Vu....straight(ish) question to which I'll reply...

Ok seriously, I don't think hiding from things makes them go away. I do not hold to the idea that 'homosexuality' is biological, nor do I wish to, as if it were it would be a short step to a policy of 'racial hygiene' as we saw in 30's and 40's Europe. I think it has a 'double-bind' foundation, being pyschological, formative childhood role models etc. I think the best way we can approach the non functional phenomena (in a reproductive sense, as loving people is never non functional!!!!) of homosexuality is by understanding each other as individuals and as a society, and causal factors. Just because homosexuality offends people isn't going to make it go away. Empathy with people, understanding, then applying those lessons to how we treat/bring up our children may.

 

[Nehustan]

There acctually is a certain portion of our population that has no interest in sex, asexual if you will.

I hate to make an inflammatory comment (tho' its never stopped me before) but thats not asexual in a biological sense (Relating to, produced by, or involving reproduction that occurs without the union of male and female gametes, as in binary fission or budding.), thats frigid.

:bonk:​

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[Sunstone]

Deja Vu....straight(ish) question to which I'll reply...

LOL OK... You got me on that one (Must spread karma around before giving it to Nehustan again).

 

[Fluffy]

I hate to make an inflammatory comment (tho' its never stopped me before) but thats not asexual in a biological sense (Relating to, produced by, or involving reproduction that occurs without the union of male and female gametes, as in binary fission or budding.), thats frigid.

Agreed it is only asexual in a psychological sense. The same term is used for two different things.

 

[Nehustan]

Thing that annoys me is that I really tried to pass no judgements on homosexuality through this whole debate, and I still managed to hurt Maize's feelings.....I'm sorry I couldn't affirm her sexuality, but she shouldn't need me to if she feels its (her) right.

:149:​

 

[standing_alone]

Hmmm. If heterosexual sex is natural because it's for procreation, is it unnatural for heterosexuals to have sex just for pleasure, not for procreation?

 

[Nehustan]

Well I was told that the original meaning of a sexual perversion is a sex act that does not intend to lead (or cannot lead) to procreation (old meaning admitedly!!!). So, thats oral sex, masturbation, and heterosexual 'safe' sex for pleasure all into that category.

(now hands up in the audience if that makes you a pervert?)​

 

[St0ne]

Acctually everyone can procreate (barring medical conditions), my belief is that homosexually is natures way of saying you shouldn't, i know some will be offended by this but atleast i'm not calling you evil.

There acctually is a certain portion of our population that has no interest in sex, asexual if you will.

The thing that annoys me about anti-homosexual religious nuts is that just sit back and say to themselves "What do i care, i'm going to heaven and they're not.", they have to cause trouble.

Hmm I had a rethink of what I said earlier and realised I had been coerced into changing my definition of natural, natural is the way things are meant to be, something isn't natural simply because you can do it.

Your right everyone can procreate (make babies) barring medical conditions, (just had a feeling of deja vu), what I meant was 2 males can't procreate together.

Back to the natural thing, nature is hand in hand with common sense, go and drink a bottle of petrol, sure the reactions that happen in your body are what would naturally happen under these conditions although it won't be feeling all that natural to you I'm sure, common sense will tell you that it's not natural for a person to go around drinking bottles of petrol.

 

[standing_alone]

(now hands up in the audience if that makes you a pervert?)​

*hesitently raises hand*

 

[Nehustan]

...don't worry mine's up on multiple counts....

 

[Fluffy]

*high fives standing alone and Nehustan" don't worry, I use my other hand....

 

[Sunstone]

Thing that annoys me is that I really tried to pass no judgements on homosexuality through this whole debate, and I still managed to hurt Maize's feelings.....I'm sorry I couldn't affirm her sexuality, but she shouldn't need me to if she feels its (her) right.

:149:​

I can understand where you're coming from. You didn't want to hurt Maize's feelings, and are dismayed that you somehow managed to anyway. But try to imagine what life is like for Maize or any homosexual here in the States. The Religious Right is always -- constantly -- charging them with everything from breaking up families to being bound for hell. They justifiably feel they are being made scapegoats for every social ill in America. Seldom a day goes by that you don't read yet another newstory here about some preacher condemning gays, or violence against gays, or a legistlative inititive launched against gays. The attack on gays in this country is just as cruel as it is absurd. You'd need the hide of an elephant to be gay in this country and not become alarmed by it. All that doesn't mean that misunderstanding someone's basic good faith and intentions is right, but it does mean that it is quite easy to do so. Really, Nehustan, you're a good guy, but you're running up against an ongoing battle in the US that is in all likelihood somewhat uglier than you would want to imagine, and getting uglier every day.

 

[St0ne]

From the Oxford dictionary.

natural

• adjective 1 existing in or derived from nature; not made, caused by, or processed by humankind. 2 in accordance with nature; normal or to be expected: a natural death. 3 born with a particular skill or quality: a natural leader. 4 relaxed and unaffected. 5 (of a parent or child) related by blood. 6 [size=-1]archaic[/size] illegitimate. 7 [size=-1]Music[/size] (of a note) not sharpened or flattened.

Pretty much straight up falsifies what other were saying natural is before.

 

[Nehustan]

Well I figure that what people do in the confines of their own privacy is just that private. We are here for such a short time, and I have no time for judging people who are hurting nobody else. Hurting people's sensibilities....I do that everyday.

As I've said before I have no time for people who pry into other people's business, peer through their curtains as it were (we call them curtain twitchers over here)....but saying that....there's that nubile maiden naked infront of her window again....oh whoops....too much detail again!!!!!

 

[standing_alone]

The Religious Right is always -- constantly -- charging them with everything from breaking up families to being bound for hell. They justifiably feel they are being made scapegoats for every social ill in America.

You mean that our goal is not to break up families and cause social ills so we can go on our happy little tour in Hell? Man, I thought that's what this Homosexual lifestyle was about. I feel so, uh, SO MISLEAD!

*walks away, head in hands, dejectedly, disappointed*

 

[Pah]

From the Oxford dictionary.

natural

• adjective 1 existing in or derived from nature; not made, caused by, or processed by humankind. 2 in accordance with nature; normal or to be expected: a natural death. 3 born with a particular skill or quality: a natural leader. 4 relaxed and unaffected. 5 (of a parent or child) related by blood. 6 [size=-1]archaic[/size] illegitimate. 7 [size=-1]Music[/size] (of a note) not sharpened or flattened.

Pretty much straight up falsifies what other were saying natural is before.

So you agree then. Homosexuality and all other forms of sexuality appear in nature. Even sex for pleasure and social cohesion appears in nature. Just what is it that you are complaining about?

 

[Nehustan]

From the Oxford dictionary.

natural

• adjective 1 existing in or derived from nature; not made, caused by, or processed by humankind. 2 in accordance with nature; normal or to be expected: a natural death. 3 born with a particular skill or quality: a natural leader. 4 relaxed and unaffected. 5 (of a parent or child) related by blood. 6 [size=-1]archaic[/size] illegitimate. 7 [size=-1]Music[/size] (of a note) not sharpened or flattened.

Pretty much straight up falsifies what other were saying natural is before.

...but people are hardly going to like considering themself (or being told that they are) 'unnatural'.....

 

[Pardus]

I put it to you st0ne, that homosexuality is natural birth control.

No i'm not going to give you a big and complicated explaination, nor to i intend to argue about it much, because guess what, i'm hetro, and i don't really give a flying f#@k about the issue when it comes down to it.

But i do have a decent ammount of spare time on my hands, and it's interesting to see what people think of my beliefs.