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Spirit vs. Soul

zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend ben,

Soul is of spirit but spirit is not the soul, spirit is omnipresent but the human soul is not.
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Thanks for clarifying the use of these labels however the end result is 'neti, neti'.
Its neither the soul or the spirit, your view?

Love & rgds
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
zenzero said:
Friend ben,


Thanks for clarifying the use of these labels however the end result is 'neti, neti'.
Its neither the soul or the spirit, your view?

Love & rgds
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Yes of course zenzero...there is only the ONE that is ALL...the ALL being the label ascribed to the infinite aspects of non-duality by limited dualistic perception and conception.

It is better for the mind to rest in the non-duality...aummmm
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend ben,

the ALL being the label ascribed to the infinite aspects of non-duality by limited dualistic perception and conception.
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It is better for the mind to rest in the non-duality
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Yes true but personally find the mind moving to 'sleep' mode which is where helplessness grows. Could you share as to how one can overcome 'sleep' where 'consciousness is nowhere. hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love & rgds
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
zenzero said:
Friend ben,



Yes true but personally find the mind moving to 'sleep' mode which is where helplessness grows. Could you share as to how one can overcome 'sleep' where 'consciousness is nowhere. hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Love & rgds
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It's the same here...don't worry about it, there is nothing to overcome...staying in the deep of aum meditation requires much energy as there is much transformation going on...the sleep is beneficial on a number of levels...facilitating the restoration of centre and energy balance, and the 'digesting' of and integration of newer higher vibrational exposure.

Btw, fwiw a full moon is coming up on the 15th... I notice the change in the energy levels of my mind as the fullness approaches and then subsides for another few days...the meditation is most euphoric at these times but less selfless...the ego is expansive..soul wants to fly off into the spirit.
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend ben,

Thanks for the response.
However the mind/body is yet not sensitive to the level of being aware of the moon phases as am yet to get purely into meditation mode and focus is more of mindfullness doing everyday duty.
However shall try and watch if any noticeable changes are found due to this awareness now.

Love & rgds
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Aupmanyav,

Shake it up. You have your dharma to fulfill.
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Let dharma find it own way as am not there when sleep takes over fully besides when awake am hardly there a such except to fulfill the needs of the body.
Remember light can never be alone without darkness and vice versa. Humans created God and Satan appeared by default as soon as God got created.

Love & rgds
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Aupmanyav,

If you fulfill your dharma, you get 74 houris and an eternity in heaven.
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Guess its interesting to note that you believed in no god, no heaven, no this, no that but now you are pointing towards something else.
Is it to be understood that you are on the path of dharma you are already enjoying 74 hours [could you explain where 74 came from?] and that you wish to retire in heaven till eternity??

Love & rgds
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
zenzero said:
Guess its interesting to note that you believed in no god, no heaven, no this, no that but now you are pointing towards something else.

Is it to be understood that you are on the path of dharma you are already enjoying 74 hours [could you explain where 74 came from?] and that you wish to retire in heaven till eternity?
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Not hours but houris. That is not for me. That is for believers. Two more than what one gets in Islam. I am Brahman and as you know, Brahman is changeless. I will be what I am in all eternity. :)
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Aupmanyav,

I will be what I am in all eternity.
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How do 'you' know that; am not sure that one can know what one was or will be without being IT and by Being IT one cannot speak about it, is personal understanding.

Love & rgds
 
Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
Why, if I am Aupmanyav, then I am the best person to speak about Aupmanyav. Who would know me better than myself? Similarly, if I am Brahman, then I am the best person to speak about Brahman. Simple. :)
 
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Aupmanyav

Aupmanyav

Be your own guru
But Zenzero, you too are that! 'Tat twam asi'. Mortality is but an illusion. What would die? Atoms do not die. :)
 
zenzero

zenzero

Its only a Label
Friend Aupmanyav,

Yes we are THAT true but we cannot claim so as the claim is from the ego-mind.
We still have thoughts in crossing our minds and till a single thought remains realisation of THAT is incomplete and so such claims are false.
Yes since we know it and are conscious about IT we are walking on a path towards IT.
A soon as we have no thoughts arising the path too is no-more.

Yes as mentioned earlier personally such moments are rare [split seconds] after days and months however time being immaterial it does not come to mind and though conscious of thoughts crossing the energy required to hold the consciousness [meditation] snaps and even sleep takes over. In fact sleep every night in such fashion.

Illusion are those what thoughts creates in our minds and they are real. We know them to be illusions but still we cannot stop them.

Love & rgds
 
Runewolf1973

Runewolf1973

Materialism/Animism
We can not claim to be THAT because there is no THAT. There is no IT. Not a THING which one can walk towards, nor is there a path towards such a THING. As soon as you create an IT or a THAT, you create a THING to be desired or craved or sought after. You must not crave or desire or seek. You must eventually get off that path towards IT or THAT and experience simply BEING.




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