Spirit vs. Soul

[Straw Dog]

Thanks! That was some tasty food for thought. I guess I can see a little bit of myself in each soul level, kind of like a horoscope.

Do you know how they went about discerning this?

 

[George-ananda]

Thanks! That was some tasty food for thought. I guess I can see a little bit of myself in each soul level, kind of like a horoscope.

It seemed a little horescopey to me too but .....I needed something to make the post more entertaining.

Do you know how they went about discerning this?

I don't know about the person who wrote what I quoted.

But in general my belief is that advanced masters (probably off the normal chart) can perceive the super-physical through their super-physical bodies. The clairvoyant can see what we can't. The ancient sages of India have recorded descriptions also. Some great gurus take incarnation not for their soul development but as a service to teach those ready to listen.

 

[Straw Dog]

It seemed a little horescopey to me too but .....I needed something to make the post more entertaining.

True. You gotta draw in the crowds.

I don't know about the person who wrote what I quoted.

But in general my belief is that advanced masters (probably off the normal chart) can perceive the super-physical through their super-physical bodies. The clairvoyant can see what we can't. The ancient sages of India have recorded descriptions also. Some great gurus take incarnation not for their soul development but as a service to teach those ready to listen.

What is the normal chart?

Perceptions are tricky. Sometimes I think that I can see what I cannot.

 

[George-ananda]

What is the normal chart?

I was just referring to my previous post; infant, baby....

Perceptions are tricky. Sometimes I think that I can see what I cannot.

Well, I wouldn't just accept something you said.

As for the teachings of the Vedic (Hindu) tradition one has to consider the quantity and quality of the tradition and its evidence and form your own opinion. Also my study of the quantity and quality of the evidence for the paranormal has lead me to believe there are other planes. And I searched for hypotheses on how these planes tie in with our reality. The teachings of the masters of the Indian traditions have provided me with far and away the most plausible explanation of it all that I have seen (and that includes the physical only hypothesis).

In fact a guru I most respect says to experience these things for yourself and don't take anyone's word for it; and then you will know. However, the spiritual practice to reach this state takes a while so until then we have to settle with accepting what they say as a hypothesis.

 

[Straw Dog]

I was just referring to my previous post; infant, baby....

I thought that you said you weren't willing to defend that scale.

In fact a guru I most respect says to experience these things for yourself and don't take anyone's word for it; and then you will know. However, the spiritual practice to reach this state takes a while so until then we have to settle with accepting what they say as a hypothesis.

Interesting, and within the realm of possibility. I just don't really know.

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Do you know how they went about discerning this?

I'd venture a wild guess that they took their own values and placed them as the most mature, then put all the things they don't like and put them at the most immature, then filled in the rest to make it seem professional.

 

[atanu]

I'd venture a wild guess that they took their own values and placed them as the most mature, then put all the things they don't like and put them at the most immature, then filled in the rest to make it seem professional.

Well. There are some old souls here, such as this, and you too.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Straw Dog,

Spirit vs. Soul

What is understood is that Holy Spirit what is Consciousness.
When one takes birth it has a part of that which is labelled as the 'soul' or consciousness in a individual yet to evolve or merge the mind understands but still in an unconscious state.
When the realisation of the soul and its connection with the holy spirit happens then the soul is labelled 'spirit' and in this state the individual starts working in tandem with the Holy spirit. His mind now reflects the Holy Spirit.
Other then that ..........

Love & rgds

 

[Straw Dog]

Hey friend! It's good to see you posting again.

What is understood is that Holy Spirit what is Consciousness.
When one takes birth it has a part of that which is labelled as the 'soul' or consciousness in a individual yet to evolve or merge the mind understands but still in an unconscious state.
When the realisation of the soul and its connection with the holy spirit happens then the soul is labelled 'spirit' and in this state the individual starts working in tandem with the Holy spirit. His mind now reflects the Holy Spirit.
Other then that ..........

Your personal journey has led you to an understanding of Spirit as the same as Consciousness? So then not entirely Buddha-dharma anymore? Or a different spin?

 

[Runewolf1973]

Hey friend! It's good to see you posting again.



Your personal journey has led you to an understanding of Spirit as the same as Consciousness? So then not entirely Buddha-dharma anymore? Or a different spin?

In stillness there is no journey, nor paths to follow.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Straw Dog,

Your personal journey has led you to an understanding of Spirit as the same as Consciousness? So then not entirely Buddha-dharma anymore? Or a different spin?

Friend Runewolf as explained it well.
Still mind reflects the Spirit or Consciousness or Tao or God or Absolute or use similar labels then on its a pathless path, no nothing not even consciousness or spirit or [various labels]
It is and It is not, Neither This nor that, neti, neti, etc.

Love & rgds

 

[Straw Dog]

Friend Runewolf as explained it well.
Still mind reflects the Spirit or Consciousness or Tao or God or Absolute or use similar labels then on its a pathless path, no nothing not even consciousness or spirit or [various labels]
It is and It is not, Neither This nor that, neti, neti, etc.

Thank you for clarifying. Sometimes using too many labels with different cultural connotations confuses me. Personally do not equate Consciousness or God with Tao, etc, but can easily approach it as still mind or no-mind or no-labels or pathless path.

Does the mind reflect nature, Spirit, Tao, and/or God like a mirror?

 

[zenzero]

Friend Straw Dog,

Does the mind reflect nature, Spirit, Tao, and/or God like a mirror?

As Lao Tsu had mentioned in Tao Te Ching, 1st stanza:

Tao (The Way) that can be spoken of is not the Constant Tao’
The name that can be named is not a Constant Name.
Nameless, is the origin of Heaven and Earth;
The named is the Mother of all things.
Thus, the constant void enables one to observe

Its the VOID, labels are just for understanding. Once the mind reflects nothing or the void then its game over. Its back to source.

Love & rgds

 

[Straw Dog]

Its the VOID, labels are just for understanding. Once the mind reflects nothing or the void then its game over. Its back to source.

This is closer to personal understanding as well. Thank you.

 

[zenzero]

Friend Straw Dog,

This is closer to personal understanding as well. Thank you.

Yes, that brings our understandings closer too!!

Love & rgds

 

[InvestigateTruth]

Our soul is like a mirror reflecting and showing the Perfections and Qualities of God.
The Spirit signifies the Qualities and Perfections that become Manifested in our soul.

 

[zenzero]

Friend IT,

Our soul is like a mirror reflecting and showing the Perfections and Qualities of God.
The Spirit signifies the Qualities and Perfections that become Manifested in our soul.

Yes, this too could be a viewpoint. View points can be myriad as humans, each being correct!

Love & rgds

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Soul is of spirit but spirit is not the soul, spirit is omnipresent but the human soul is not.

The human mind is of cosmic mind but the cosmic mind is not the human mind, the cosmic mind is omnipresent but the human mind is not.

Spirit and matter form the cosmic mind, there is no mind without form and no form without mind, but the form is not the mind, and the mind is not the form.

There is no human mind without the soul, and no soul without the spirit, but the spirit is not the soul and the soul is not the mind.

 

[DawudTalut]

Greetings,

The notions of 'soul' and 'spirit' are sometimes used interchangeably, but many religions also discern between them. I don't grasp at any particular theological beliefs, but sometimes feel that the Spirit may be something different from theology.

So what are the differences between the spirit and the soul? Is there any consensus on these matters whatsoever? Can they be tested somehow to determine their nature and purposes?

Thanks,

~SD

Peace be on you.
"The Holy Qur’an:
Spirit & Soul
Spirit (Ruh )and Soul ( Nafs)" at http://www.muslimsunrise.com/dmddocuments/2006_winter.pdf#page=12

 

[IHaveTheGift]

I always took souls to be the "making" of ones person and spirits are beings of the afterlife and in a different state of presence then what we call the material world.
Once we die, our souls leave the material world and become part of the spirit world.
Souls and Spirits are different as spirits have never experienced being material beings.