I think young Anakin was even worse.
A substandard child actor given terrible lines in a superfluous overly long back story is the worst.
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Star Wars, Episode VII - Caution! Spoilers
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A substandard child actor given terrible lines in a superfluous overly long back story is the worst.
A new hope and Empire strikes back were excellent, then came the Ewoks. Yorky dogs dressed up walking on their hind legs. The era of cte star wars characters began. Hated that. Episode one would have been much better had they left Jar Jar out. At least the new one departed from that.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
I loved that this death star had the same fatal design flaw as the first one. (That's what you get with builders on a government contract!) I'm thinking it was a little tongue in cheek, a running gag at this point?
Also that the plot did away with all of the boring political machinations and kept the action going-
Greatly improved realism- less crummy CGI than the prequels. Better acting too, not saying much..
Would have liked to have seen Jar Jar Binks... blown up instead of Han Solo though.. way to kill off the best character-
or did they...?
The CGI hologram on the throne was pretty bad.
At this point, Jar Jar is becoming one of the few characters I like.
I await his return as a fell Sith warrior.
gsa
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Just saw it last week. I agree with your overall assessment: Fun, but not great. Good I guess. Better than any of the prequel films.
A major problem with the film is the extended unrevealed backstory. Kylo Ren seemed believable as a dark side character, but only because I did not have to see the transformation. Finn's change was less believable, because you just see him decide to save Po because...well, just because.
I hated the starkiller base concept. Apparently the novelization deals with the fact that you can see the simultaneous destruction of the planets light years away from the forest planet by alluding to "phantom energy," whatever the hell that was. They even repeated the original film's "parsecs" error as a kind of throwaway allusion to the old trilogy.
Other unbelievable things: No one knows about jedis except as myths, even after the defeat of the empire. The Republic is somehow aligned with the resistance (doesn't that make the name of the latter kind of absurd?), but cannot directly confront the First Order...why? But then politics was never a strong point of the series (the prequel trilogy handled it better than the original, and this one, which is just how lame politics storytelling in the series is).
Overall, I would give it a B.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
true, I miss the puppets, the original Jabba, Yoda etc- much more realistic
At least more tangible. Less cartoonish.
Aye, the fake beings had more heart & presence than the real ones.
Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
I think they must have helped the actors too right?- I mean Carrie Fisher being chained to that thing, on a real set, surrounded by those great costumes- must have been a genuinely freaky experience!
Now the actors are on a little blue stage talking to a broom and pretending- a much tougher job in their defense!
Aye, acting looks difficult enuf with real people.
One thing I've noticed when I talk to people who saw the movie. They all seem to have trouble remembering the name of the bad guy. Nobody had trouble recalling the name of Darth Vader after the original Star Wars movie. Reason ; Kylo the wren was just a failure as a bad guy with his Radio Shack light saber and temper tantrums.
And the Big Bad Guy--appearing by hologram--was also not particularly memorable. And the red-headed Hitler wannabe was not nearly sinister enough to be in charge, and certainly did not seem to be the kind of person to be in charge of potentially millions of storm troopers and their officers.
I happened to really like it. Though I could predict most things.
It's the beginning, not a standalone. It's merely setting the stage. A good trilogy gets better and better, you don't throw in your A game first round. Because then you have no where to go.
I mean there's a reason why Empire Strikes Back is often a fan favorite.
The plot does seem very A New Hope-ish, but then again after everyone basically loathed the prequels, they had to come back with a similar formula to get people back into the feel of Star Wars again. And it was entertaining enough.
People seemed disappointed with Kylo Ren's lackluster reveal, but to me that was the genius behind his character. He's an ordinary guy. He's not some monster, he's not an alien, he's not Vader or Maul or even General Grievious. He's just a human. Mundane and normal. And he looks like a normal average human, not some model yuppie. That's what he's supposed to be.
As for Solo dying, well considering that Ford wanted Han to die in the ROTJ I don't understand the quibbles. Like come on. As if no one saw that coming.
Fin was okay.
Calling it now, Rey is Luke's daughter.
That hologram guy was meh. Kind of reminded me of Grendel from that CGI version of Beowulf.
Also I liked that the film actually had some humor. Nice to see they haven't lost that.
This is all setting the seeds at the moment. I'm withholding my judgement until at least the second movie. Because that's when they'll start to go places. Whether or not those places are good remains to be seen.
Sidenote, I love BB8!!! He's so adorable!!
Although the one thing I have never understood about ANY of the Star Wars films were why everyone basically forgot about the ****** legendary Jedi within the space of literally a generation. Even in a New Hope Ben pretty much alludes to the fall of the Jedi being Vader's fault and we must assume that he was there when it happened by the way he speaks about it. And taking into account his age, even then it wouldn't have been very long ago. 15, maybe 20 years. But every single non Jedi/Sith character in the entire Universe refers to the Jedi as ancient or the stuff of fairy tales. Like did the Empire/First Order just hold a Universal broadcast and use one of those flash thingys from Men in Black on everyone?
Actually it's probably a running gag by now.
It's the beginning, not a standalone. It's merely setting the stage. A good trilogy gets better and better, you don't throw in your A game first round. Because then you have no where to go.
I mean there's a reason why Empire Strikes Back is often a fan favorite.
The plot does seem very A New Hope-ish, but then again after everyone basically loathed the prequels, they had to come back with a similar formula to get people back into the feel of Star Wars again. And it was entertaining enough.
People seemed disappointed with Kylo Ren's lackluster reveal, but to me that was the genius behind his character. He's an ordinary guy. He's not some monster, he's not an alien, he's not Vader or Maul or even General Grievious. He's just a human. Mundane and normal. And he looks like a normal average human, not some model yuppie. That's what he's supposed to be.
As for Solo dying, well considering that Ford wanted Han to die in the ROTJ I don't understand the quibbles. Like come on. As if no one saw that coming.
Fin was okay.
Calling it now, Rey is Luke's daughter.
That hologram guy was meh. Kind of reminded me of Grendel from that CGI version of Beowulf.
Also I liked that the film actually had some humor. Nice to see they haven't lost that.
This is all setting the seeds at the moment. I'm withholding my judgement until at least the second movie. Because that's when they'll start to go places. Whether or not those places are good remains to be seen.
Sidenote, I love BB8!!! He's so adorable!!
Although the one thing I have never understood about ANY of the Star Wars films were why everyone basically forgot about the ****** legendary Jedi within the space of literally a generation. Even in a New Hope Ben pretty much alludes to the fall of the Jedi being Vader's fault and we must assume that he was there when it happened by the way he speaks about it. And taking into account his age, even then it wouldn't have been very long ago. 15, maybe 20 years. But every single non Jedi/Sith character in the entire Universe refers to the Jedi as ancient or the stuff of fairy tales. Like did the Empire/First Order just hold a Universal broadcast and use one of those flash thingys from Men in Black on everyone?
Actually it's probably a running gag by now.
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In an utterly wrong headed, slack jawed, short bus ride'n, bone headed post, this is a frubalworthy redeeming claim!
I finally saw "The Force Awakens" the other night and again last night. I thought it was awesome, the best Star Wars since "Empire Strikes Back". I found Kylo Ren to be a worthy villain, though not as disciplined as Darth Vader. What puzzled me is why Kylo felt he had to kill his own father, I didn't like that part. I was happy to see no really dorky characters in this one like the Ewoks or Jar Jar Binks. Rey is a good, strong character and very sexy, I like her. I loved the music by John Williams too.
Rey is a good, strong character and very sexy, I like her. I loved the music by John Williams too.
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ThirtyThree
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The terrible science and just awful villain ruined it for me, just like the strange time book hypercube inside the black hole bad science ruined Interstellar for me.
ThirtyThree
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Yes but said grandfather turned to the light side.Ok folks as a think about it, If I was Kylo Ren, a being sensitive to the powers of the force with a fascination with the dark side, and learned that my grandfather was a great Dark Lord of the Sith, for sure as hell I would seek after his legacy and the power of the dark side. I would also seek to emulate, in my own way, his dark countenance. But that is just me.
"Terrible science"? I must have missed something in the movie. How could a solar powered energy beam drain a star of its own power and energy? I would think that perhaps it couldn't be fired off every day and would take some time to re-energize the weapon itself. Think about it, so long as that star exists the death star would have a limitless source of power. The dark side of clean solar energy.
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If you want to delve into the psyche of Darth Vader I think it becomes a lot more complicated than that. Vader used the powers of the Force, specifically the dark side for most importantly his own ends, but he was not a slave to it. He did as I would have done to save the life of my own child. Remember, Vader was also human.