Wildswanderer
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Not even about abortion at all..
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State Senator Proposes Mandatory Vasectomies for Nebraskans
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Wildswanderer
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Dumbest argument ever. A polyp doesn't develop into a child.
Subduction Zone
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Nope. You never demanded that I prove it until after you made your claim that is obviously false which I demanded that you prove. I asked you first. You ran away from your burden of proof. It is post #190 on the previous page.
Subduction Zone
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Of course it is. What do you think that they are describing? How a horse is born?
Ashoka
श्री कृष्णा शरणं मम
Numbers 5:27- And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
Another translation states that her belly will swell, causing her to miscarry.
The priest gave her a concoction to induce an abortion.
Subduction Zone
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No, you just don't understand it. An aborted embryo does not develop into a child either.
Wildswanderer
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You made a claim first and never backed it up. I don't have to prove a negative. I already showed you the Bible doesn't say what you claim.
Wildswanderer
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No, because it's been killed. Duh.
Wildswanderer
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It doesn't even say she is pregnant. Read the whole passage.
Wildswanderer
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It says nothing about a baby at all. In fact it implies she won't get pregnant unless she was faithful.
And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
Subduction Zone
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It does. Once again when my mouse arrives I will find you a more modern translation since you do not seem to understand that one..
Subduction Zone
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Wow! Severe cognitive dissonance there.
Just be patient. It is still scheduled for today.
Wildswanderer
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You mean a miss interpretation?
Wildswanderer
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Where does it say she is pregnant? Please point out the verse:
15 Then shall the man bring his wife unto the priest, and he shall bring her offering for her, the tenth part of an ephah of barley meal; he shall pour no oil upon it, nor put frankincense thereon; for it is an offering of jealousy, an offering of memorial, bringing iniquity to remembrance.
16 And the priest shall bring her near, and set her before the Lord:
17 And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:
18 And the priest shall set the woman before the Lord, and uncover the woman's head, and put the offering of memorial in her hands, which is the jealousy offering: and the priest shall have in his hand the bitter water that causeth the curse:
19 And the priest shall charge her by an oath, and say unto the woman, If no man have lain with thee, and if thou hast not gone aside to uncleanness with another instead of thy husband, be thou free from this bitter water that causeth the curse:
20 But if thou hast gone aside to another instead of thy husband, and if thou be defiled, and some man have lain with thee beside thine husband:
21 Then the priest shall charge the woman with an oath of cursing, and the priest shall say unto the woman, The Lord make thee a curse and an oath among thy people, when the Lord doth make thy thigh to rot, and thy belly to swell;
22 And this water that causeth the curse shall go into thy bowels, to make thy belly to swell, and thy thigh to rot: And the woman shall say, Amen, amen.
23 And the priest shall write these curses in a book, and he shall blot them out with the bitter water:
24 And he shall cause the woman to drink the bitter water that causeth the curse: and the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter.
25 Then the priest shall take the jealousy offering out of the woman's hand, and shall wave the offering before the Lord, and offer it upon the altar:
26 And the priest shall take an handful of the offering, even the memorial thereof, and burn it upon the altar, and afterward shall cause the woman to drink the water.
27 And when he hath made her to drink the water, then it shall come to pass, that, if she be defiled, and have done trespass against her husband, that the water that causeth the curse shall enter into her, and become bitter, and her belly shall swell, and her thigh shall rot: and the woman shall be a curse among her people.
28 And if the woman be not defiled, but be clean; then she shall be free, and shall conceive seed.
Ashoka
श्री कृष्णा शरणं मम
*facepalm*
I literally posted the verse. Did you think I did that without reading it? She is pregnant. Why would it mention miscarriage otherwise? The point of the verse is, if she miscarries, she cheated. If she didn't, and it's the husband's baby, it will not miscarry.
Ashoka
श्री कृष्णा शरणं मम
"and shall conceive seed" like. How do you not see this? Are you choosing to not see it?
Wildswanderer
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And shall conceive means if she is faithful she can now conceive just as it says. That's impossible if she's already pregnant....she would have already convinced, obviously.
Subduction Zone
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Modern translations tend to be better than older ones since scholars have had continually more access to older texts and not less. I know, you do not like accurate interpretations of the older works.
Subduction Zone
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Why did you skip the first four verses? The man's wife supposedly cheated on him, she had sex with another is his belief, even though there were no witnesses. Try to think real hard, how does he know? This is not a test that one enters into lightly. The man would need evidence that proves to him that his wife cheated on him. And though you do not understand the euphemisms it is verse 21 where it says that she will miscarry if she is pregnant. You should use a more modern interpretation. You clearly cannot understand the King James version. It is far too poetic for some to understand.
Life in this context meaning what exactly?