State Senator Proposes Mandatory Vasectomies for Nebraskans

[Revoltingest]

Okay, so I invite you over (give consent), change my mind (withdraw consent) and shoot you before you have a chance to live on your own as a trespasser and that's all good?

I'm not a fetus though.
This is our fundamental disagreement, ie, the
significant biological & legal differences between
fetus, baby, & adult.

 

[Truth in love]

I'm not a fetus though.
This is our fundamental disagreement, ie, the
significant biological & legal differences between
fetus, baby, & adult.

You not.

But in both situations it is human
In nearly all cases an invitation was given

 

[Revoltingest]

You not.

Whuh?

But in both situations it is human
In nearly all cases an invitation was given

Where I see differences, you see none.

 

[fantome profane]

I pose the same question I just did to another on this thread.

I invite you over (give consent), change my mind (withdraw consent) and shoot you for trespassing before you have time to leave on your own. Is that okay?

You not.

But in both situations it is human
In nearly all cases an invitation was given

So if I understand your analogy, abortion is unnecessary. All a pregnant person needs to do is politely ask the fetus to leave.

If I am misunderstanding your point please explain.

 

[crossfire]

I pose the same question I just did to another on this thread.

I invite you over (give consent), change my mind (withdraw consent) and shoot you for trespassing before you have time to leave on your own. Is that okay?

What constitutes an invitation? Does an open door constitute an invitation? Does a door that has been broken into constitute an invitation? Does an unlocked door constitute an invitation? Does a locked and barred door constitute an invitation?

How about in the case of in vitro fertilization, where it is standard practice to implant several blastocytes in hopes of getting one or two to successfully implant, and then freezing excess embryos that were successfully implanted with liquid nitrogen? This would more closely follow your analogy than an unwanted pregnancy would.

 

[Truth in love]

Whuh?

Where I see differences, you see none.

So any other humans that cannot have rights?

 

[Truth in love]

So if I understand your analogy, abortion is unnecessary. All a pregnant person needs to do is politely ask the fetus to leave.

If I am misunderstanding your point please explain.

half way there. Though you did. Answer the question. Outside of rape and incest the child was invited and will leave on their own in time.

 

[Truth in love]

What constitutes an invitation? Does an open door constitute an invitation? Does a door that has been broken into constitute an invitation? Does an unlocked door constitute an invitation? Does a locked and barred door constitute an invitation?

How about in the case of in vitro fertilization, where it is standard practice to implant several blastocytes in hopes of getting one or two to successfully implant, and then freezing excess embryos that were successfully implanted with liquid nitrogen? This would more closely follow your analogy than an unwanted pregnancy would.

Consensual sex is an invitation.

abortion is offing the invited guest for failure to leave fast enough.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I'm setting a pretty low bar for bodily autonomy--having once been able to breathe on one's own. I'll even go so far as to count a fetus that can breathe on its own if it is immediately separated from its host as having some degree of bodily autonomy. Basically, I draw the line at viability, especially if bodily autonomy is being argued.

I guess that rules me out because I was premature, my lungs weren't fully developed and had to be on a respirator for a while. I was a very high risk pregnancy and my mom almost lost me more than once. Oops. That's just such an arbitrary "standard".

 

[crossfire]

I guess that rules me out because I was premature, my lungs weren't fully developed and had to be on a respirator for a while. I was a very high risk pregnancy and my mom almost lost me more than once. Oops. That's just such an arbitrary "standard".

The fact that you are here means you were viable.

 

[crossfire]

Consensual sex is an invitation.

abortion is offing the invited guest for failure to leave fast enough.

Ah, so the in vitro fertilizations don't count as an invitation?

 

[Truth in love]

Ah, so the in vitro fertilizations don't count as an invitation?

It would as concern is given.

 

[crossfire]

It would as concern is given.

Ah, so killing the excess embryos implanted by IVF by freezing them with liquid nitrogen is not ok? Even if there were only two "invitations" available?

 

[Truth in love]

Ah, so killing the excess embryos implanted by IVF by freezing them with liquid nitrogen is not ok? Even if there were only two "invitations" available?

I find the practice abhorrent.

 

[crossfire]

I find the practice abhorrent.

How do you feel about IVF being given legal exclusions from abortive practices when non-IVF pregnancies are legally disallowed from using abortive practices?

 

[Truth in love]

How do you feel about IVF being given legal exclusions from abortive practices when non-IVF pregnancies are legally disallowed from using abortive practices?

Not a fan, but you are really off on a tangent.

 

[crossfire]

Not a fan, but you are really off on a tangent.

Actually, we've been on a tangent from the OP of satirically proposed forced vasectomies for quite some time. However, this was specifically addressing your post #120 of this thread, highlighting how IVF pregnancies fit that specific analogy you posted in post #120 much better than non-IVF pregnancieis.

 

[Truth in love]

Actually, we've been on a tangent from the OP of satirically proposed forced vasectomies for quite some time. However, this was specifically addressing your post #120 of this thread, highlighting how IVF pregnancies fit that specific analogy you posted in post #120 much better than non-IVF pregnancieis.

okay so back to my question a few back can I shot you as a trespasser if I revoke consent and don’t give you time to leave?

 

[crossfire]

okay so back to my question a few back can I shot you as a trespasser if I revoke consent and don’t give you time to leave?

Again, what would constitute an invitation for an invasion? An unlocked door? And would forcing them out be the same as shooting them?

 

[SomeRandom]

You not.

But in both situations it is human
In nearly all cases an invitation was given

Who actually argues that a zygote or fetus is not human? Like legitimately?
No one actually argues that any abortion gets rid of a Fox from a women’s womb. I mean have you seen that?
In matters of biology, a blastocyst, zygote or fetus is at best a potential human. Because biology doesn’t treat such specimens the same as fully fledged humans or indeed even children. Biology doesn’t care. Such specimens could die or they could be aborted through actual medical adivice given by actual trained doctors. Abortion is considered a legitimate medical intervention after all. Just consult your local OBGYN. You know? Someone who is actually knowledgeable about fetal development in depth. (And fyi even they don’t refer to fetuses as “children.” Such a term is biologically inaccurate, fun fact. Biologically speaking we have terms like “fetus” for a reason.)
Doctors will always give priority to the pregnant person in medical situations. Why do you think that’s the case dude?
Short answer, biologists actually disagree with your assessment. Maybe don’t invoke them?