Still think it's an exaggeration?

[Guy Threepwood]

I see from your response...you're not really tacking on the scheme of things

it took several thousands of years to warm up enough for the ice to retreat as it did.
the change was only seven degrees
seven degrees............thousands of years

in my lifetime.....three degrees more

current departure from ave over last 37 years is +.41

where are you getting 3 degrees from- let me guess 'adjusted land temps' by any chance?

 

[Thief]

so along with satellite recordings......
scientists are also launching buoys in the Atlantic

they are tracking current temp and direction

the fresh water melt of Greenland is increasing
the speed of the north bound seawater is slowing for cause of it

this has led to speculation of a rebound effect
the oceans distribute most of the solar heat evenly

if the flow of seawater slows the temp shift could 'snap back'

if the air follows suit New York could freeze over within a few decades

 

[Thief]

2014–15 North American winter - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_North_American_winter
The 2014–15 North American winter refers to winter in as it occurred across the North American ...... In Quebec, Montreal experienced its coldest February on record with an extended cold spell and an average temperature of −15 °C (5 °F).

In fact, Environment Canada calls it the coldest February in Quebec history, with an average temperature of -15.3 C, while the daytime normal is actually -7.7 C.

Making it the coldest February since at least 1889.

Other parts of the province fared even worse, with Quebec City reporting a temperature of -17.8 C.

READ MORE: 7 ways to beat the winter blues in Montreal

Ottawa recorded its coldest-ever February as well, with an average temperature of -16.8 C, shattering the former record set in 1979.

In Toronto, it was the first February in 75 years where the temperature did not climb above the freezing mark.

obviously the big picture is eluding you

 

[Thief]

the jet stream over North America does not behave as it did when I was a boy

too bad for the eastern seaboard

 

[Thief]

my immediate territory is set for the warmest winter on record


three seasons in a row

 

[Thief]

the locals of Chile....highlanders.....
have seen their mountain flowers disappearing
along with fresh water melt from the high glaciers

they KNOW it's 'little brother's fault

and they don't allow trespassers anymore

 

[Thief]

i don't recall the name of the 'shelf'......
but a HUGE portion of the south pole broke loose and floated into shipping lanes

alerts were issued

 

[Thief]

there was a time when the Navy could surface a sub in the northern sea cap......only in summer

now the ice is three foot thick for the most part

surface whenever

 

[Guy Threepwood]

obviously the big picture is eluding you

here's a nice big picture

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum

 

[Thief]

here's a nice big picture

Antarctic Sea Ice Reaches New Record Maximum

did you read the article?
and a previous post i made?
the ozone layer is dissipating over the south pole
the wind speed is up

the north pole continues to decline

we are doing this to the air we breath

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Global warming might be exagerated.
but it is the sort of exageration that kills you either way.
so best not ignore it.

 

[Thief]

and i read somewhere....the ozone layer is only 12 inches thick

and that was a longtime ago

 

[Guy Threepwood]

there was a time when the Navy could surface a sub in the northern sea cap......only in summer

now the ice is three foot thick for the most part

surface whenever

USS SKATE



In early March 1959, she again headed for the Arctic to pioneer operations during the period of extreme cold and maximum ice thickness. The submarine steamed 3,900 miles under pack ice while surfacing through it 10 times. On 17 March, she surfaced at the North Pole


March is the peak ice extent season.....

 

[Guy Threepwood]

did you read the article?
and a previous post i made?
the ozone layer is dissipating over the south pole
the wind speed is up

the north pole continues to decline

we are doing this to the air we breath

wind speed is up?! from the greenhouse effect?!

good lord.. Venus has a 97+% CO2 atmosphere, runaway greenhouse effect, temps are sever hundred degrees... and barely a breath of wind at the surface. because of the greenhouse effect-
it's a form of insulation, so temps at the equator and pole are almost identical- so no differential to power wind.

Think of when storms are the strongest here, spring right? when warm are collides with COLD air. global warming, if it ever happened, would reduce global wind and weather intensity- this is basic science, not climastrology.


What is it they have so so afraid of? what scares you most?

 

[columbus]

What is it they have so so afraid of? what scares you most?

What scares me the most is the wars. When a few billion poor, dislocated and desperate people start seriously infringing on the privileges of people and cultures that take that position for granted , the will be big big wars. That will compound the problem.

That will result in escalation of the kind of war that wasn't even possible a few years ago. Because weapons technology has become so much more deadly and available to more and more people.
Tom

 

[illykitty]

2014–15 North American winter - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_North_American_winter
The 2014–15 North American winter refers to winter in as it occurred across the North American ...... In Quebec, Montreal experienced its coldest February on record with an extended cold spell and an average temperature of −15 °C (5 °F).

In fact, Environment Canada calls it the coldest February in Quebec history, with an average temperature of -15.3 C, while the daytime normal is actually -7.7 C.

Making it the coldest February since at least 1889.

Other parts of the province fared even worse, with Quebec City reporting a temperature of -17.8 C.

READ MORE: 7 ways to beat the winter blues in Montreal

Ottawa recorded its coldest-ever February as well, with an average temperature of -16.8 C, shattering the former record set in 1979.

In Toronto, it was the first February in 75 years where the temperature did not climb above the freezing mark.

You seemed to miss what I just said. Re-read again and again if necessary. I was talking about heat levels and SNOW levels in NOVEMBER and DECEMBER. This didn't used to happen. As a child, there was snow and cold in those months.

Also you're confusing WEATHER with CLIMATE. They're different things.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

What scares me the most is the wars. When a few billion poor, dislocated and desperate people start seriously infringing on the privileges of people and cultures that take that position for granted , the will be big big wars. That will compound the problem.

That will result in escalation of the kind of war that wasn't even possible a few years ago. Because weapons technology has become so much more deadly and available to more and more people.
Tom

well we may have some common ground here, I believe global warming, climate change is the biggest threat to humanity right now, the ideology, the political tool, the fear. This as always hurts the poorest people the most.


(Guardian)
Thousands of people die each winter in the UK as a result of being unable to heat their homes. Are we doing enough to help them?

Fuel poverty is happening against a backdrop of rapidly rising energy bills
The big energy debate
The scandal of Britain's fuel poverty deaths
Thousands of people die each winter in the UK as a result of being unable to heat their homes. Are we doing enough to help them?

Lucy Jolin


The social cost of fuel poverty is massive, and growing. In the winter of 2012/13, there were 31,000 extra winter deaths in England and Wales, a rise of 29% on the previous year. Around 30-50% of these deaths can be linked to being cold indoors. And not being able to heat your home also takes a huge toll on health in general: those in fuel poverty have higher incidences of asthma, bronchitis, heart and lung disease, kidney disease and mental health problems.


And this is a 'wealthy' country, in Africa countless untold lives are destroyed by climastrology, in some cases hospitals can't even afford gas for their ambulances, it's truly shameful

 

[Guy Threepwood]

You seemed to miss what I just said. Re-read again and again if necessary. I was talking about heat levels and SNOW levels in NOVEMBER and DECEMBER. This didn't used to happen. As a child, there was snow and cold in those months.

okay, I live in the same general region as you and we had a mild nov and dec last year and this year so far, but the couple of years before that!? Winter started much earlier than usual in nov, we had planned to move for the winter dec 1st, and had to bump it up and go early.

Point of my post though, record cold februarys- is not what global warming predicted 20 years ago, because as a form of insulation- the effect should be much more apparent in the colder months than the warmer.- not controversial


The larger point is, which did you prefer- the cold or mild winters? how about for the local wildlife? how about for energy consumption and bills? how about for the local economy?

The benefits of slightly warmer weather are utterly unambiguous, you don't need a computer sim to observe them as you do the hypothetical negatives

Also you're confusing WEATHER with CLIMATE. They're different things.

Yet you cited your local weather as evidence of global climate change....

 

[columbus]

well we may have some common ground here, I believe global warming, climate change is the biggest threat to humanity right now, the ideology, the political tool, the fear. This as always hurts the poorest people the most.

I think that it has already begun.
I believe that the main reason for the invasion of Iraq was control over the gulf oil region, including Iran.
A bunch of the people invading Europe are displaced largely by war and environmental degradation.

The single biggest thing the human family must do to ward off disastrous wars is start shrinking the population. But too many people and cultures are heavily invested in population growth.
Tom

 

[buddhist]

2014–15 North American winter - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_North_American_winter
The 2014–15 North American winter refers to winter in as it occurred across the North American ...... In Quebec, Montreal experienced its coldest February on record with an extended cold spell and an average temperature of −15 °C (5 °F).

In fact, Environment Canada calls it the coldest February in Quebec history, with an average temperature of -15.3 C, while the daytime normal is actually -7.7 C.

Making it the coldest February since at least 1889.

Other parts of the province fared even worse, with Quebec City reporting a temperature of -17.8 C.

READ MORE: 7 ways to beat the winter blues in Montreal

Ottawa recorded its coldest-ever February as well, with an average temperature of -16.8 C, shattering the former record set in 1979.

In Toronto, it was the first February in 75 years where the temperature did not climb above the freezing mark.

Good observation.

When "they" are faced with data such as this, I observe that they like to attempt to change the narrative and discussion from "global warming" to "climate change".