My family members do go to church so in doing so I would say they ask for forgiveness as much as the rest of us.
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Struggling to come to terms with something I have read in the bible.
- Thread starter Enlighten
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My family members do go to church so in doing so I would say they ask for forgiveness as much as the rest of us.
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
God is clear about how the faithful are to treat homosexuals. He commands the death penalty.
- Leviticus 20:13
" 'If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads."
I know before you say I have only taken part of what you posted, but this is the part I feel most relevant to my thought... on their own heads. Its not up to us a society to put further difficulties or blockades in peoples lives, is it?
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
I totally agree. I believe homosexuals should get no special treatment, neither positively nor negatively. They should be entitled to every benefit the rest of society gets, including the benefits of marriage. But that is not what the Bible says.
I understand your dilemma. I have resolved it by no longer believing the Bible is anything more than a book written by men who expressed the morality of the day, much of which does not apply today.
And nor do I think they want special treament for that matter, so I don't feel that those (the one's who originally gave me the talking to) who were thinking we should set out to forceably change someone have any right to make any comment on people's way of lives, we should love everyone for who they are (whether it is our way or not).
I still continue my faith in God and I do believe in the word the bible teaches us (although as I'm not well read, I do try, I must say I sometimes doubt my own understanding so this is where I rely on "ask and ye shall receive"), its my faith in humanity and kindness that comes into question these days with the way I said in one of my ealier posts that I was basically told to choose between family and faith.
blueman
God's Warrior
Sin is not a part of God's nature. Sin came into the world through man's disobedience (choice) to not follow God's will. The central part of my arguement is that we are not born homosexual, just as we are not born murderers or child molesters, etc. We were born in sin and that's why we needed a savior in Jesus Christ. Man chooses to sin, but it's God's desire as part of a relationship with Him that we overcome these strongholds and desires to follow sin perpetually. Repentance is the act of asking for forgiveness and working towards turning away and not being in bondage to that worldly desire.
We all sin though, well I do and I'm assuming you do also, but I am a child of God as you are, so why cant everyone ask for the same forgiveness as we do?
this is good. but I was writing cause Enlighten said its not our place to tell someone what God will accept or condone, this verse and many others tell us to spread the word.My family members do go to church so in doing so I would say they ask for forgiveness as much as the rest of us.
blueman
God's Warrior
You're missing my point. It's God's desire for us to change our ways at some point. It's called spiritual growth. It does not mean we don't sin, but there are things you did before you accepted Christ that you don't do anymore. If we know that God's view is that homosexuality is an abomination, at some point would we not want to strive to obedience and following His will and turn away from the desire? There are consequences for our sin and God, because He's our heavenly Father will discipline us in some way through life circumstances and even tradegy through death. Our hearts need to be conditioned to serve and obey Him is all aspects of our life. He wants you to grow and not be stagnant.
ryynänen47
Little Old Heathen Lady
The problem with that is not everyone is Christian. My religion doesn't believe in abominations or sins; what's important is a person's deeds. As I have told others, I didn't choose to be bisexual, but I can chose to express it or not. My relationship with the gods is not based on servant/master type. I, as a Heathen, believe the gods are our Elder Kin. The Aesir and Vanir do not want slaves.
I have no problems with Christians saying what they believe. My problem is when they act on those beliefs in a way which will hurt other people.
I would very much like to see where in the NT Paul was given the authority to decide what is and isn't a sin.
Jesus never said a word about homosexuality, and if you're going to fall back on the OT, there's a long list of other "abominations" that for some reason no one seems to be objecting to anymore.
Jesus never said a word about homosexuality, and if you're going to fall back on the OT, there's a long list of other "abominations" that for some reason no one seems to be objecting to anymore.
Yes, Jesus never said anything on the subject, but if one were to take into account his Jewish upbringing, it is likely that he viewed homosexuality as a sin.
However, I'd wager that if Jesus (the man, not the Christ) were born today, he'd not be against the legalizing of it; in fact, he'd probably be indifferent to it.
Jesus formed his own opinions, interpretations, and applications of the Law as a whole. that's why we're still talking about him.
McBell
Unbound
Interesting, is it not, that Jesus did not feel it important enough to mention...
I mean, think about it, if Jesus is God and God knows everything about everything, yet does not mention a specific point...
I agree, though I wonder about your particular wording here...
I disagree.
I'd bet he would be highly upset.
Upset at all the hypocrisy his alleged followers are promoting in his name.
That's dependent on Jesus being God.
Yes, he'd be upset at THAT. Not at whether or not homosexual marriage is legalized or not. "Give unto Caesar that which is Caesar's."
I think he'd personally disagree with homosexuality, but if he's in line with many other Sages, he'd probably believe that chastity was essential for the highest spiritual growth.
ryynänen47;1572756 said:
Yes, I totally agree, that is where I had the problem with being asked to act upon my belief as my family members who go to church have accepted Christ into their lives and although they have "chosen" to continue with their way of life it doesnt mean that they haven't changed in other ways. And as you say not everyone is Christian so I dont really feel it is my place to act upon the "issue" as it would definately be very hurtful and no doubt would lead to me losing the closeness I have with them.
Yep totally - I made this point (obv not in these words) earlier, as the BIG focus seems to be on homosexuality these days, what about all the other sins or "abominations"?
blueman
God's Warrior
I agree that no belief system should hurt or opress people in any way, but to respectfully lay out any differences that one may have. We differ in our belief systems, because there is no way we can earn our salvation. That is the primary reason why God sacrificed the righteous one Jesus Christ on our behalf. Our sins our redeemed, past, present, and future. But that does not give us a license to sin. We need to draw closer to God through His Word, prayer and fellowship. Through those resources, God gives us the tools to carry out His Purpose. Much love to you.ryynänen47;1572756 said:
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1 corinthians 14:37 paul says what he writes are the lords commanments. The 7th chapter of 1 corinthians tells what marriage is.
