Students Are Pushing Back Against Gender Ideology In Their Schools

[Kfox]

The point is that even biological sex is not a binary, as many people are alleging it is. To say that biological sex is a very easily distinguishable, either/or proposition, or defined by a single biological characteristic, is just anti-biology. Biologists have defined sex as bimodal for decades.


Because it is. Biological sex isn't binary, it's bimodal.


Because you're claiming sex is binary, but it's actually bimodal.

What is the difference between binary vs bimodal?

 

[Father Heathen]

The Confederate states were also led by the Democrat party, which apparently is the still the party of racism.

Yet in present day it's conservatives who venerate confederate flags and statues.

An adorable attempt, though.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

There are grey areas in life, but some things are simply "black or white". Whether a person has a Y chromosome is either true or false. It has no grey area. A person with a Y chromosome is a male.

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Woman and man, and gender in general, aren't biological concepts, they're sociological and anthropological ones. Which are also sciences.

But even in biology, sex is bimodal not binary and divided into gonadal and chromosomal, phenotypic and genotypic, not simply chromosomal. And literature which has sex changing animals (yes, this is a thing) are called by their gonadal sex not their chromosomal sex. Likewise genotype and chromosomal sex aren't the same thing and there are plenty of women and females with sry genes that have migrated to an x chromosome.

The fact of the matter is that both sex and gender and their studies are far more complicated than you want it to be, not based on the sciences but because of your prejudices.

Which is super funny because the alliance with 'biology' is an alliance of convenience because if there was ever an area of science that showed personable creator gods are irrational and directly conflict with evidence of natural selection, it would be biology. Which is why there are fewer theist biologists than any other science.

 

[ADigitalArtist]

Yet in present day it's conservatives who venerate confederate flags and statues.

An adorable attempt, though.

Right? Like do they seriously think that the drag show and gay club and blm protesting white supremacists are voting Democrat? Are they really so blind to the neonazi on their side of picket lines?

 

[ImmortalFlame]

What is the difference between binary vs bimodal?

Binary means it has to be one of only two possible options or positions.

Bimodal means that there is a range of options or positions, but the tendency is towards one of two options, but there is a small number of outlying options between or at the extremes of the range as well as variance within those two options.

If it helps, think of binary as being kind of like a light-switch. It can be either off on on. There is no "partially off" or "partially on" or "half-on half-off" (unless it's a dimmer switch... but ignore that).

Whereas bimodal is like having a shooting range with two targets at the end. The targets naturally attract the majority of the bullets, and the majority of the shots will trend towards the centre of the targets, but there will be a minority of shots that are off-target, or fall far to the left of one, or far to the right of the other, or in-between the two targets.

 

[Shaul]

It was obvious to me and anyone else reading your post that you made those quotes up, but what bothered me was the way that you used it to try to prove a point in a discussion. Although quotation marks can be used around individual words and expressions to convey sarcastic usage, your use of them around full sentences with the remark "duplicitous and inconsistent" suggested that you wanted them taken more seriously. Anyway, I'm glad that you are admitting that you just make stuff up when you lack a serious response.

OMG! Are you really this ignorant?! I never ever wrote that those were quotes from actual conversations. They were archetypes. Quotations are not used for only explicit quotations of actual dialogue. They are also used for conceptualized and archetype comments.

As for English grammar, I can assure you that you know far less about it than you think you do.




And there you are just repeating your debunked assumption about definitions, as if repetition would make it something reasonable to say. I think you are right that we are done here. Ad nauseam arguments aren't worth the heartbeats.

In a lab. Discussing science is different than engaging socially. In science, removing subjectivity is important. Socially, treating someone as an individual with unique experiences is important.

For instance, it is important when discussing climate change to use scientifically accurate language because the purpose is to understand the subject is the best objective way possible.

However, discussing someone's appearance may require nuance so as not to offend or confuse someone. For instance, I know several people who had brown eyes when they were young, but now appear to have blue eyes as elderly people. This is due to arcus senilis. I am unlikely to discuss that around the person in question since it calls attention to age and a physical change they may not be comfortable with.

(Note: their genotype in this case does not match their phenotype. Appearance is often tricky and intimately tied to a person's emotions.)

Science recognizes the need to change terminology based on the personal nature of definitions where this does not interfere with the objectivity of the science. For instance, what was once mental retardation is now intellectual disability, and even that used to be termed using words like "imbecile" and "moron." Due to the vernacular use of these as insults, psychologists changed the words.

Consider then, how it makes sense to distinguish between one's social identity (gender) and one's biological characteristics (sex). Also consider that the differences between the different elements of biology (genetic, physiological, chemical, psychological) can further complicate the line between the social and biological aspects.

That's a lot of sophistry just to support people defining gender so they can cut off teats and do genital mutilations.

 

[Father Heathen]

Right? Like do they seriously think that the drag show and gay club and blm protesting white supremacists are voting Democrat? Are they really so blind to the neonazi on their side of picket lines?

...and how many confederate flags were flying at the Jan 6 insurrection?
Trying to tie the modern party to the one 200ish years ago is desperate and dopey.

 

[Shaul]

Biology is definitely not "black and white." It's incredibly fuzzy, which seems pretty obvious from these ongoing discussions, wouldn't you say?

No, I wouldn't say that at all. I would say it is only incredibly fuzzy in the minds of some people. Some of those people seem to specialize in fuzzy thinking.

 

[Copernicus]

OMG! Are you really this ignorant?! I never ever wrote that those were quotes from actual conversations. They were archetypes. Quotations are not used for only explicit quotations of actual dialogue. They are also used for conceptualized and archetype comments.

Ah, so you were using fake quotes as "archetypes" and then criticizing their pretend archetypal authors as "Duplicitous and inconsistent." Got it. Now I'll have to start inventing fake quotes from archetypal Republicans to reply to your posts.

 

[SkepticThinker]

No, I wouldn't say that at all. I would say it is only incredibly fuzzy in the minds of some people. Some of those people seem to specialize in fuzzy thinking.

Then you'd just be wrong, as anyone who has taken even just a cursory look at biology well knows.

 

[Kfox]

Binary means it has to be one of only two possible options or positions.

Bimodal means that there is a range of options or positions, but the tendency is towards one of two options, but there is a small number of outlying options between or at the extremes of the range as well as variance within those two options.

If it helps, think of binary as being kind of like a light-switch. It can be either off on on. There is no "partially off" or "partially on" or "half-on half-off" (unless it's a dimmer switch... but ignore that).

Whereas bimodal is like having a shooting range with two targets at the end. The targets naturally attract the majority of the bullets, and the majority of the shots will trend towards the centre of the targets, but there will be a minority of shots that are off-target, or fall far to the left of one, or far to the right of the other, or in-between the two targets.

So if we exclude intersex, how would biological sex be different if it were binary rather than bimodal?

 

[Shaul]

Then you'd just be wrong, as anyone who has taken even just a cursory look at biology well knows.

But I'm not wrong. Males are defined as persons having a Y chromosome according to biology. The National Institute of Health agrees with me. According to the National Institute of Health Chromosome: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia.

"Two of the chromosomes (the X and the Y chromosome) determine your sex as male or female when you are born. They are called sex chromosomes:

• Females have 2 X chromosomes.
• Males have 1 X and 1 Y chromosome."

 

[We Never Know]

No, I wouldn't say that at all. I would say it is only incredibly fuzzy in the minds of some people. Some of those people seem to specialize in fuzzy thinking.

You are wasting your time. Just like Trump can declassify documents by thinking about it,,, males can become females and females can become males by thinking about it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But I'm not wrong. Males are defined as persons having a Y chromosome according to biology. The National Institute of Health agrees with me. According to the National Institute of Health Chromosome: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia.

"Two of the chromosomes (the X and the Y chromosome) determine your sex as male or female when you are born. They are called sex chromosomes:

• Females have 2 X chromosomes.
• Males have 1 X and 1 Y chromosome."

That's pretty simplistic. Perhaps take a biology course or two then.

If it were as black and white as you say, we wouldn't even be having these conversations at all.
And yet here we are. And people have been having these conversations for at least a century at this point. I took a gender studies class like, twenty-five years ago where all of this was discussed at length. It ain't black and white.

 

[Shaul]

That's pretty simplistic. Perhaps take a biology course or two then.

If it were as black and white as you say, we wouldn't even be having these conversations at all.
And yet here we are. And people have been having these conversations for at least a century at this point. I took a gender studies class like, twenty-five years ago where all of this was discussed at length. It ain't black and white.

So you think the NIH is simplistic. They know more about biology than you do. If you still think you know better than the actual U.S. government agency entrusted with Health then you should go and change their minds.

 

[metis]

Hilarious. The guy who postures as even he has "creds" about biology because he once read one or two Scientific American magazines.

You are being disgustingly dishonest, and for your information I've had a Scientific American subscription since the early 1970's.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

If you have a prostate instead of a uterus, if you have xy chromosomes instead of xx, if you have a natural testosterone level of 1000 instead of 25, if you have testes instead of ovaries, you are a biological human male.

Now you're just excluding old guys and men with testicular cancer.

 

[metis]

The Confederate states were also led by the Democrat party, which apparently is the still the party of racism. All they have done has been to change the color from black to white. The Conservatives, like the did at the time of Lincoln, to fighting against the divisive Democrat propaganda, which now now not only sells racism but also sexism and now genderism.

U.S. Senate: Confederate General Becomes Secretary of the Senate

August 7, 1893
In the several decades that followed the Civil War, the Democratic Party—long associated with the states of the former Confederacy—struggled to restore its standing as a national political organization. After the 1892 elections, many Democrats believed they had finally succeeded. In those contests, for the first time since the war, they captured the presidency and gained control of both houses of Congress. Symbolizing their return to national power, Senate Democrats replaced the incumbent secretary of the Senate—a former Union army general—with a former Confederate general.

As has been explained to you previously, the Dems and Pubs gradually switched polarity in the early-mid 20th century when FDR decided to use Socialist Party leader Eugene V. Debs and became the more liberal party, as it remains today.

“Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it!" (George Santayana-1905)

 

[metis]

You are wasting your time. Just like Trump can declassify documents by thinking about it,,, males can become females and females can become males by thinking about it.

Sexuality is more influenced by one's hormones than one's "equipment", thus using "male" and "female" may at times have to be qualified as to which one is talking about.

 

[SkepticThinker]

So you think the NIH is simplistic.

No, I think the small quote you provided is overly simplistic.

They know more about biology than you do. If you still think you know better than the actual U.S. government agency entrusted with Health then you should go and change their minds.

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