Supporting Trump, now a religion?

[rabkauhallA]

Buhhleeve me!!

 

[rabkauhallA]

I'm not going through that mess again (not sure what you did there but the whole thing shows up as a quote.).

But you are completely wrong about science and life.

How Did Multicellular Life Evolve? - Astrobiology Magazine

How Did Life Begin? — NOVA | PBS

I don't expect you to read these articles with anything approaching rationality as your beliefs don't allow it. But you are unequivocally wrong on that point.

The Genesis of life. Well, we know one thing for sure, it happened. I'm a believer in Occam's razor and Russell's Teapot. There is more and more evidence that life could have survived a migrating meteor or comet, depending on angle of attack. Where both Occam's razor and Russell's teapot come into the equation is to those who insist only God can turn basic amino acids into complex ones and RNA. The burden of proof is on the one making the more extravagant claim. If God transcends time and was never not 'here'... then someone has a lot of 'splainin' to do!

 

[Underhill]

The Genesis of life. Well, we know one thing for sure, it happened. I'm a believer in Occam's razor and Russell's Teapot. There is more and more evidence that life could have survived a migrating meteor or comet, depending on angle of attack. Where both Occam's razor and Russell's teapot come into the equation is to those who insist only God can turn basic amino acids into complex ones and RNA. The burden of proof is on the one making the more extravagant claim. If God transcends time and was never not 'here'... then someone has a lot of 'splainin' to do!

Yeah, I have never understood the 'logic' that claims god is the simplest answer. Any god capable of all of that has to be vastly more complex that we can even comprehend. So clearly it is not the simplest solution.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yeah, I have never understood the 'logic' that claims god is the simplest answer. Any god capable of all of that has to be vastly more complex that we can even comprehend. So clearly it is not the simplest solution.

It's simple in that one needn't know any math or physics.

 

[Bob the Unbeliever]

It's simple in that one needn't know any math or physics.

For a certain type of personality? That is a bonus... math is haaaard. Physics is even more haarrder-- it's applied .... maths.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Unless you have evidence the exodus did not take place, 1 book is all I need.

Then in ignorance you shall remain.

It is now that I have mentioned it.

No, it is not. My religion has nothing to do with scrutiny of Exodus, and I won't be paying any more attention to red-herring demands in this thread. If you have questions, take it here.

Are you serious. We can all harden our own hearts.

Of course we can. Yet it's not often described as done through an outside agent. Even you say "You have hardened your heart" against the Exodus myth, not "Your heart was hardened". But to that note, you don't know that for sure. All it would take is solid evidence that it happened--not a single myth in one book.

It is no more heavily biased than your source.

Sure, Washington's own actions, the words he used, and criticisms of his peers are totally as biased as a "Christian Answers" website.

Not true. Christians know better than anyone that state run religions, kills freedom of worship.

You mean you think you know better than anyone. Yet none of you who would say that have experienced it. Still yet, this does not change the nature of Freedom of Religion, nor the Founding Father's penmanship of the Constitution.

Read it again, Adam and Eve were punished, but not cursed and that alone is evidence my explanation of what happened is correct.

Sounds like you need to read it again. The word "curse" is used several times, and a curse is basically a punishment that lasts forever. If your god had just punished the three of them, that would be the end of it, and sin wouldn't be a thing.

Genesis 3:14, your god curses the serpent to crawl on it's belly and eat dust. Genesis 3:16, your god curses Eve with painful childbirth, and makes her subservient to men. And in Genesis 3:17, he curses Adam to toil the soil for food. Then he kicks them out of paradise.

Not true. They were not 3 year olds. They only needed to understand 1 word "dont."

Without a knowledge of good and evil, there is no such understanding. It is the very essence of ignorance and gullibility.

I did more than quote it. I gave reasons for what said.

No you don't. The most you've done is give a list of a few sentences and say "see, god didn't do it!"

 

[omega2xx]

So, where does it say what god provided? You surmised that from the word garment? That is quite a leap.

Not if you have a book that defines every word in the OT and I have such a book

Even this christian website that discusses the subject, says it is mostly conjecture.

That alone defines it as *** liberal site and not worth reading to know the truth.

Why did God make garments of skin for Adam and Eve when they had already made clothing for themselves?

Glad you ask that again. I misread it the first time. The clothe were man-made. They were no more than a loin cloth. It did not cover their nakedness completely. Man-made clothing is not inadequate to cover all of our sins. The "garment" God made for them was a long, shirt=like garment that reached to the ground. "Garment" in that verse is also used to describe the clothing of the priests.Now according to Peter, Christians are not only God's priest, we are a holy priest(I Pet 2:5) and a royal priest(I Pet 2:9).

God not only covered their sins, He also made the one of His holy and royal priest.

Rev 3:18 and 16:15 might help; you understand that passage better.

First, you would look at the original text. See if it shed any light on it. If it doesn't, then you don't. You take it at face value. That is what I was taught in church, bible school and at a christian college. But what would I know.

Genesis 3:21 Hebrew Text Analysis



You really don't. But feel free to keep making stuff up.



Forgiveness requires a sacrifice. You claim god made the sacrifice. Okay. But the book does not say that.

It says he made them a coat.

No, the leap is to make a claim that you know what kind of garment it was.



They offer multiple interpretations while pointing out that most of it is based in speculation.

I just realized I have already answered this post, but the added info might help; you understand what is being taught better.

 

[omega2xx]

Did you even read what I wrote?

Yes.

I never provided any. I never said there was any. What does evidence have to do with a discussion about how life came into being?

Without knowing the origin of the species, the TOE is stopped in it tracks, and yes I know the common talking points is that evolution is not about the origin of life, but it was at one time but when they coulld not offer an explanation, that ws not laughable, they droppepd that part.

Except it isn't. Common sense is evidence of nothing. In fact there is a name for it. It's called the common sense fallacy. Just because a bunch of people believe something does not make it true. It was common sense that the earth was flat and that the earth was the center of the universe.

The biggest fallacy is that there is no such thing as common sense. the fact that someone believes something is not true, does not make it not true. That is just common sense. Since the earth is not flat and not the center of they universe is not true, thinking it was, was not common sense, it was ignorance.

But you are right, many people with no brain do fall for common sense fallacies.

Since everyone has a brain, to say some don't is not common sense.

 

[omega2xx]

Then in ignorance you shall remain.

Not unless you hve some evidence it is not true. And you don't.

No, it is not. My religion has nothing to do with scrutiny of Exodus, and I won't be paying any more attention to red-herring demands in this thread. If you have questions, take it here.

No thanks, your link only confirms you have no reliable evidence

Of course we can. Yet it's not often described as done through an outside agent. Even you say "You have hardened your heart" against the Exodus myth, not "Your heart was hardened". But to that note, you don't know that for sure. All it would take is solid evidence that it happened--not a single myth in one book.

2 things we know: Pharaoh did harden his own heart several times and anytime he would have obeyed, the plagues would have stopped.

Sure, Washington's own actions, the words he used, and criticisms of his peers are totally as biased as a "Christian Answers" website.

Your web-site was biased. If you prefer what they say, that is fine with me, but it does mean it is right.

You mean you think you know better than anyone.

No more than you think you know better than anyone.

Yet none of you who would say that have experienced it.

You don't know what I have experienced.

Still yet, this does not change the nature of Freedom of Religion, nor the Founding Father's penmanship of the Constitution.

I have not said it has.

Sounds like you need to read it again. The word "curse" is used several times, and a curse is basically a punishment that lasts forever. If your god had just punished the three of them, that would be the end of it, and sin wouldn't be a thing.

You need to read it again and post the verses that say Adam and Eve were cursed. God did not punish the 3 of them. He only cursed Satan and the ground,

Genesis 3:14, your god curses the serpent to crawl on it's belly and eat dust. Genesis 3:16, your god curses Eve with painful childbirth, and makes her subservient to men. And in Genesis 3:17, he curses Adam to toil the soil for food. Then he kicks them out of paradise.

Read the verses again very slowly and notice when "cursed" is used and not used.

Without a knowledge of good and evil, there is no such understanding. It is the very essence of ignorance and gullibility.

man can only know what is good and what is evil from what God tells us.

No you don't. The most you've done is give a list of a few sentences and say "see, god didn't do it!"

Then post the verses that say God did do it.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Well you should thank heaven it wasn't Hillary that got in.

Had Hillary been elected, I could rest easy knowing I'll still have my health insurance and won't ever again be denied for having a pre-existing condition. The little gains transgender people saw under Obama were reversed. I can because I work at a university library, I know several people who are rightfully stressed over this whole ordeal of if they will be allowed to come back here if they got back home for awhile, if they will deported, and what exactly will come of their academic/career futures? I mean ****, these people come over here to learn from our universities to teach at our schools and heal at our hospitals, and we have a president who wants them gone for no other reason than their country of origin/nationality. And of course Hillary isn't a narcissistic know-it-all.

 

[tytlyf]

That alone defines it as *** liberal site and not worth reading to know the truth.

? You do realize the majority of democrats are christians right?

Do you like journalistic organizations like CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC for factual information? Or are those not to be trusted?

If they aren't to be trusted, give me a top information source you recommend?

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

No thanks, your link only confirms you have no reliable evidence

If you wish to think so, but your statement shows you didn't even click the link. As you will; in ignorance of Heathenry you will remain, as well.

2 things we know:

You perpetually ignore your god's direct involvement, as well as the fact that several times the pharaoh conceded. But your god had some point to prove...

Your web-site was biased.

That's just it; it wasn't a website. It's actual letters and historical documents. Yours is a christian website that cherry picks statements and spins it's own history.

You don't know what I have experienced.

I would be willing to bet very heavily that you have not experienced a state-run religion.

I have not said it has.

Yes, you have. However:

You need to read it again and post the verses that say Adam and Eve were cursed.

I literally just did this. It's very clear that you're not truly paying attention to this discussion and are ignoring a great many things that contradict your paradigm. This One Way street is about to reach a Dead End.

man can only know what is good and what is evil from what God tells us.

Apparently not, after eating magic knowledge fruit.

Then post the verses that say God did do it.

Why? It's clear that you wouldn't read them. Evident in that I've already done that.

And of course Hillary isn't a narcissistic know-it-all.

There I actually disagree. She is, and I know that from second-hand experience.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

There I actually disagree. She is, and I know that from second-hand experience.

Let's hear some examples then of when she claimed to more about various different situations than those who are over those situations. Such as war, terrorism, the Middle East, and knowing more about all those than the generals.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

man can only know what is good and what is evil from what God tells us.

Good thing I'm not a man. I might be an evil wicked person then since I don't have god.

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Let's hear some examples then of when she claimed to more about various different situations than those who are over those situations. Such as war, terrorism, the Middle East, and knowing more about all those than the generals.

It's nothing that I would be able to provide, directly--and I'm not doubting that Trump is a massive know-it-all. My family's had direct encounters with the Clinton's on several occasions. Hillary would go to my grandmother's hair salon in Fort Smith back when Bill was the Governor of Arkansas, and she also gave the commencement speech for my father's highschool back in 1984. Then when my father worked for the Pentagon, he had several interactions with her there. Not one encounter was what one would call pleasant. We don't like her (and are iffy on Bill) for personal reasons, nothing really professional or political.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

It's nothing that I would be able to provide, directly--and I'm not doubting that Trump is a massive know-it-all. My family's had direct encounters with the Clinton's on several occasions. Hillary would go to my grandmother's hair salon in Fort Smith back when Bill was the Governor of Arkansas, and she also gave the commencement speech for my father's highschool back in 1984. Then when my father worked for the Pentagon, he had several interactions with her there. Not one encounter was what one would call pleasant. We don't like her (and are iffy on Bill) for personal reasons, nothing really professional or political.

Not that I'm doubting or dismissing, but that does not suggest she is a narcissistic know it all. Trump is that proverbial man who thinks he knows everything but actually knows nothing (or maybe the expression goes he has everything to learn?). But, anyways, he thought he knew it all, he thought he would be great at it all, and now "reality check ***** slap" doesn't even begin to describe it.

 

[omega2xx]

? You do realize the majority of democrats are christians right?

What I know is that you can't tell what a person is by the way they vote.

Do you like journalistic organizations like CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC for factual information? Or are those not to be trusted?

They are no longer journalist organizations. They have protested their profession by taking sides politically.

If they aren't to be trusted, give me a top information source you recommend?

My recommendation is for you to evaluate the stories they report and the ones they do not. Show me one favorable thing they said about trump and the negative things they said about Clinton. All of them have continued to be negative and never positive about Trump, and it has gotten worse since he was elected.

I doubt if it possible for you to evaluate with an open mind but unless you do, you will never know the truth.

 

[omega2xx]

If you wish to think so, but your statement shows you didn't even click the link. As you will; in ignorance of Heathenry you will remain, as well.

Then why don't you show me up and prove me wrong----you would if you could, but you can't.

You perpetually ignore your god's direct involvement, as well as the fact that several times the pharaoh conceded. But your god had some point to prove...

YAWN.

That's just it; it wasn't a website. It's actual letters and historical documents. Yours is a christian website that cherry picks statements and spins it's own history.


I would be willing to bet very heavily that you have not experienced a state-run religion.


Yes, you have. However:


I literally just did this. It's very clear that you're not truly paying attention to this discussion and are ignoring a great many things that contradict your paradigm. This One Way street is about to reach a Dead End.


Apparently not, after eating magic knowledge fruit.


Why? It's clear that you wouldn't read them. Evident in that I've already done that.


There I actually disagree. She is, and I know that from second-hand experience.

1 COR 2:14

 

[The Kilted Heathen]

Not that I'm doubting or dismissing, but that does not suggest she is a narcissistic know it all.

Perhaps not a know-it-all, but certainly a narcissist, of the "Do you have any idea who I am?" caliber. (something she literally told my father) She's self-important, and (I think) over-inflates her role.

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Then why don't you show me up and prove me wrong----you would if you could, but you can't.

Since you're so prone to ignoring the flow of things, omega, let me remind you what this particular strand is about. You demanded (irrelevant) answers of my faith and my beliefs--something that was not a part of this thread, and is neither here nor there. Rather than distract from the topic that we were in the middle of discussing (though that's a very generous term for it,) I directed you then - as now - to the Ask a Heathen thread, where you can ask for whatever you want in regards to my beliefs.

If you cannot - or won't - do this, then it really just shows the pettiness in your questioning. I have provided more than ample back-up for my arguments in this thread alone; it's high time you put some effort in.

1 COR 2:14

Not "effort" like this. An entirely worthless and irrelevant response to anything that I've said, a comfort blanket for your beliefs and prejudices, and truly minimal effort.

Bye, Felicia.

 

[omega2xx]

Perhaps not a know-it-all, but certainly a narcissist, of the "Do you have any idea who I am?" caliber. (something she literally told my father) She's self-important, and (I think) over-inflates her role.

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Since you're so prone to ignoring the flow of things, omega, let me remind you what this particular strand is about. You demanded (irrelevant) answers of my faith and my beliefs--something that was not a part of this thread, and is neither here nor there. Rather than distract from the topic that we were in the middle of discussing (though that's a very generous term for it,) I directed you then - as now - to the Ask a Heathen thread, where you can ask for whatever you want in regards to my beliefs.

If you cannot - or won't - do this, then it really just shows the pettiness in your questioning. I have provided more than ample back-up for my arguments in this thread alone; it's high time you put some effort in.


Not "effort" like this. An entirely worthless and irrelevant response to anything that I've said, a comfort blanket for your beliefs and prejudices, and truly minimal effort.

Bye, Felicia.

Have a nice day.