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Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member

Pogo

Well-Known Member
The site that someone else referenced declared two ways of creating a vaccine. Using dead cells or creating a vaccine using a strand of a live cell (mRNA)
Wrong, that site was referring to to methods traditional methods that use entire viruses with all their DNA, one of which was a live virus that could actually reproduce. mRNA vaccines are a completely different third type that do not use DNA at all and don't even interact with it.
Go back and read it again and maybe link it again so we can explain it to you (it didn't strike me as off the wall IIRC)
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
Not trying to argue - just inform

Sections of the DNA code are transcribed into shortened messages that are instructions for making proteins. These messages – the mRNA – are transported out to the main part of the cell. Once the mRNA arrives, the cell can produce particular proteins from these instructions.
These links are not related to mRNA vaccines at all besides a short segment on the function of messenger RNA in the gene transcription process.
You are only informing us that you don't know anything about mRNA vaccines.
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
That is not consistent with their statement that:

“Postauthorization studies are needed to fully characterize the safety profile of a new vaccine, since prelicensure clinical trials have limited sample sizes, follow up durations, and population heterogeneity.”
Yes they are needed and they do happen but the authors are arguing for more funding to increase the number and quality of studies.

"the problem is not a lack of safety monitoring once a vaccine is approved for use. The problem is that the systems in place have become stagnant and don’t live up to the potential of modern science."

"the need for legislative action to ensure that vaccine safety monitoring and research are adequately funded and prioritized, reflecting the original intent of the VICP to improve vaccine safety"

remember the title is "Vaccine Developers and Scientists Call for More Investment and Better Technology in Vaccine Post-Licensing Safety Monitoring"
the call is for MORE investment and better more adaptable technology
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
What an idiot. He clearly got his degree from a box of Cracker Jacks.
You can't cope with the facts.

The Pfizer mRNA vaccine is contaminated with the plasmid DNA vector that was used as the template for in vitro transcription reaction. This DNA could be the cause of some of the rare but serious side effects like death from cardiac arrest. The DNA can and likely will integrate into the genomes of transfected cells. There is a very real hazard for genome modification of long-lived somatic cells, which could cause sustained autoimmune attack toward that tissue. There is also a theoretical risk of future cancer, depending on the piece of DNA and site of integration

Phillip Buckhaults, Ph.D. Professor of Cancer Molecular Genetics University of South Carolina

 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
You can't cope with the facts.

The Pfizer mRNA vaccine is contaminated with the plasmid DNA vector that was used as the template for in vitro transcription reaction. This DNA could be the cause of some of the rare but serious side effects like death from cardiac arrest. The DNA can and likely will integrate into the genomes of transfected cells. There is a very real hazard for genome modification of long-lived somatic cells, which could cause sustained autoimmune attack toward that tissue. There is also a theoretical risk of future cancer, depending on the piece of DNA and site of integration

Phillip Buckhaults, Ph.D. Professor of Cancer Molecular Genetics University of South Carolina




FDA US. Food & DRUG
ADMINISTRATION
December 14, 2023
December 14, 2023
Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD
State Surgeon General
Florida Department of Health
4052 Bald Cypress Way, Bin A-00
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1710
Dear Dr. Ladapo,
Dear Dr. Ladapo,
This is in response to your letter of December 6, 2023, regarding the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. In your letter, you
raise the concern that SV40 promoter/enhancer DNA is present in these vaccines and that this raises safety
concerns.1
concerns.’
We would like to make clear that based on a thorough assessment of the entire manufacturing
would like to make clear that based on
thorough assessment of the entire manufacturing
process, FDA is confident in the quality, safety, and effectiveness of the COVID-19 vaccines. The agency’s benefit-
risk assessment and ongoing safety surveillance demonstrate that the benefits of their use outweigh their risks.
Additionally, with over a billion doses of the mRNA vaccines administered, no safety concerns related to residual
DNA have been identified. Responses to each of your three specific questions follow below:
risk assessment and ongoing safety surveillance demonstrate that the benefits of their use outweigh their risks.
Additionally, with over a billion doses of the mRNA vaccines administered, no safety concerns related to residual
DNA have been identified. Responses to each of your three specific questions follow below:
1.
In response to the question regarding potential genotoxicity of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines: No SV40
proteins are encoded for or are present in the vaccines. On first principle, it is quite implausible that the
residual small DNA fragments located in the cytosol could find their way into the nucleus through the
nuclear membrane present in intact cells and then be incorporated into chromosomal DNA.2
proteins
encoded for or are present in the vaccines. On first principle,
is quite implausible that the
residual small DNA fragments located in the cytosol could find their way into the nucleus through the
Additionally,
nuclear membrane present in intact cells and then be incorporated into chromosomal DNA.’ Additionally,
studies have been conducted in animals using the modified mRNA and lipid nanoparticle together that
constitute the vaccine, including the minute quantities of residual DNA fragments left over after DNAse
treatment during manufacturing, and demonstrate no evidence for genotoxicity from the vaccine.3
Pharmacovigilance data in hundreds of millions of individuals also indicate no evidence indicative of
genotoxicity.
Pharmacovigilance data in hundreds of millions of individuals also indicate no evidence indicative of
genotoxicity.
2.
Regarding whether FDA considers the lipid nanoparticle delivery system in setting the safe levels of DNA
in the mRNA vaccine: The agency has taken into account the totality of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine
product, including the lipid nanoparticles, as it reviewed the manufacturers’ specifications for residual DNA
fragments present. Any contamination with residual DNA fragments is monitored routinely as a product
specification.
product, including the lipid nanoparticles,
it reviewed the manufacturers’ specifications for residual DNA
fragments present. Any contamination with residual DNA fragments is monitored routinely as
specification.
3. Regarding concern for possible integration of the residual DNA fragments into reproductive cells: Please
see the response to the first question above regarding the implausibility that the minute amounts of small
DNA fragments present could find their way into the nucleus of these cells. Additionally, reproductive
toxicology studies have been conducted to evaluate the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines and have found no
concerns.
Regarding concern for possible integration ofthe residual DNAfragments into reproductive cells: Please
see the response to the first question above regarding the implausibility that the minute amounts of small
DNA fragments present could find their way into the nucleus of these cells. Additionally, reproductive
toxicology studies have been conducted to evaluate the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines and have found no
concerns.
1 In your letter, you raise questions, citing to the 2007 Guidance for Industry: Considerations for Plasmid DNA Vaccines for
Infectious Disease Indications. This guidance was developed for DNA vaccines themselves, not for DNA as a contaminant in
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other vaccines, and is not applicable to the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines.
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3 https://www.fda.gov/media/151733/download?attachment; https://www.fda.gov/media/155931/download?attachment
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Regarding whether FDA considers the lipid nanoparticle delivery system in setting the safe levels of DNA
in the mRNA vaccine: The agency has taken into account the totality of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccine
studies have been conducted in animals using the modified MRNA and lipid nanoparticle together that
constitute the vaccine, including the minute quantities of residual DNA fragments left over after DNAse
treatment during manufacturing, and demonstrate no evidence for genotoxicity from the vaccine.?
In response to the question regarding potential genotoxicity ofthe mRNA COVID-19 vaccines: No SV40
process, FDA is confident in the quality, safety, and effectiveness ofthe COVID-19 vaccines. The agency’s benefit-
This is in response to your letter of December 6, 2023, regarding the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines. In your letter, you
raise the concern that SV40 promoter/enhancer DNA is present in these vaccines and that this raises safety
Joseph A. Ladapo, MD, PhD
State Surgeon General
Florida Department of Health
4052 Bald Cypress Way, Bin A-00
Tallahassee, FL 32399-1710
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Perpetuating references to this information about residual DNA without placing it within the context of the
manufacturing process is misleading. Therefore, we hope the following general explanation of the manufacturing
process for these vaccines will be helpful.
The starting material for the manufacture of the mRNA portion is a DNA template. As part of the purification
process during production, the mRNA is treated with DNAse to digest residual DNA. There are internationally
agreed upon recommendations for the quantity of residual DNA present in all biological products, including the
mRNA vaccines.4 The specification for the COVID-19 mRNA vaccines for residual DNA following DNAse treatment
results in the presence of DNA fragments at a quantity that is less than three orders of magnitude lower than the
quantity of the RNA dose by weight. This has been determined (and continues to be determined during production
of lots) with a validated quantitative PCR assay.
No SV40 proteins are encoded by the nucleotide sequences present in the mRNA vaccines. The treatment of the
products with DNAase also fragments any residual DNA template that might be present after other manufacturing
steps. Thus, as noted above, following manufacture of the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, no DNA encoding SV40
proteins is present in the residual DNA remaining in the products.
Additionally, animal studies with the mRNA delivery technology done over the past decade show no evidence of
genotoxicity. Moreover, we now have access to global surveillance data on over one billion doses of the mRNA
vaccines that have been given, and there is nothing to indicate harm to the genome, such as increased rates of
cancers.
FDA takes its responsibility for ensuring the safety, effectiveness and manufacturing quality of all vaccines licensed
in the U.S., including the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines, very seriously. We stand firmly behind our regulatory decision
making with the authorizations and approvals of the COVID-19 vaccines, which have a highly favorable safety
profile, and which have saved, and continue to save, many lives.
The challenge we continue to face is the ongoing proliferation of misinformation and disinformation about these
vaccines which results in vaccine hesitancy that lowers vaccine uptake. Given the dramatic reduction in the risk of
death, hospitalization and serious illness afforded by the vaccines, lower vaccine uptake is contributing to the
continued death and serious illness toll of COVID-19.
We hope the information provided addresses your concerns and those of your constituents.
Sincerely,
QeMabes
Peter Marks, M.D., Ph.D.
Director
Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research
4 WHO (World Health Organization) Meeting Report Study group on cell substrates for production of biologicals. June 11 and
12, 2007; 1–30; FDA Guidance for Industry: Characterization and Qualification of Cell Substrates and Other Biological Materials
Used in the Production of Viral Vaccines for Infectious Disease Indications | FDA. U.S. Department of Health and Human
Services, Food and Drug Administration Center for Biologics Evaluation and Research, February, 2010.
U.S. Food & Drug Administration
10903 New Hampshire Avenue
Silver Spring, MD 20993
www.fda.gov
 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
You can't cope with the facts.

The Pfizer mRNA vaccine is contaminated with the plasmid DNA vector that was used as the template for in vitro transcription reaction.
That is worrying. is there ANY evidence of this? well no....
This DNA could be the cause of some of the rare but serious side effects like death from cardiac arrest.
It COULD be?
Of course the good doctor has evidence to show that it does. well no....no evdence
The DNA can and likely will integrate into the genomes of transfected cells.
And the evidence presented by the good doctor? Well he didn't present any
There is a very real hazard for genome modification of long-lived somatic cells, which could cause sustained autoimmune attack toward that tissue.
a very real hazard should have some evidence to show this....right?
There is also a theoretical risk of future cancer, depending on the piece of DNA and site of integration
Theoretical is nice. any evidence of it causing cancer? Of course not.
 

Ebionite

Well-Known Member
The spatiotemporal variations in national excess all-cause mortality rates allow us to conclude that the Covid-period (2020-2023) excess all-cause mortality in the world is incompatible with a pandemic viral respiratory disease as a primary cause of death. This hypothesis, although believed to be supported by testing campaigns, should be abandoned.

[…]

We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary causes of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and after) the Covid period are:

  • Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
  • Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics)
  • COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on the same populations

 

Argentbear

Well-Known Member
The spatiotemporal variations in national excess all-cause mortality rates allow us to conclude that the Covid-period (2020-2023) excess all-cause mortality in the world is incompatible with a pandemic viral respiratory disease as a primary cause of death. This hypothesis, although believed to be supported by testing campaigns, should be abandoned.

[…]

We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary causes of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and after) the Covid period are:

  • Biological (including psychological) stress from mandates such as lockdowns and associated socio-economic structural changes
  • Non-COVID-19-vaccine medical interventions such as mechanical ventilators and drugs (including denial of treatment with antibiotics)
  • COVID-19 vaccine injection rollouts, including repeated rollouts on the same populations

lets see.
Something from a vanity press publication. If i send them my credit card number they will publish my grandmothers' banana bread recipie and call it a scientific paper.

authored by Denis G. Rancourt, Joseph Hickey and Christian Linard

Denis Rancourt has a degree in physics. I'm sure that cam in handy in evaluating health issues
Joseph Hickey only published papers were printed in this same vanity press publication
Christian Linard actually works for this vanity press (no conflict of interest there)


"We describe plausible mechanisms and argue that the three primary causes of death associated with the excess all-cause mortality during (and after) the Covid period"

Well as long as it is plausible ....who cares about evidence?
 

Whateverist

Active Member
Not trying to argue - just inform

Sections of the DNA code are transcribed into shortened messages that are instructions for making proteins. These messages – the mRNA – are transported out to the main part of the cell. Once the mRNA arrives, the cell can produce particular proteins from these instructions.

Surprising this thread is still needed but I appreciate you for standing up for science and common sense.

I don't believe I've responded to it but if I had it would have been to note we also suppress free speech in the event of a theatre burning. When public health officials declare a pandemic, the situation is similar. An urgent, dangerous situation which will go better if people coordinate action. No time to be hollering "fire" or speaking out against the guidance of the those officials. By now it hardly matters but given this experience, I wonder if antivaxers have undermined the ability of this country to ever again act in a coordinated manner in the event of another such emergency.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Surprising this thread is still needed but I appreciate you for standing up for science and common sense.

I don't believe I've responded to it but if I had it would have been to note we also suppress free speech in the event of a theatre burning. When public health officials declare a pandemic, the situation is similar. An urgent, dangerous situation which will go better if people coordinate action. No time to be hollering "fire" or speaking out against the guidance of the those officials. By now it hardly matters but given this experience, I wonder if antivaxers have undermined the ability of this country to ever again act in a coordinated manner in the event of another such emergency.
I agree on the basic premise although :) I’m not sure the “fire” analogy is a good analogy but the principle is.

The problem I found is that, in many cases, we lost some common sense.

For an example, does having had covid before the vaccine was created create antibodies? The answer is a resounding “YES” - yet the vaccination was still pushed as a requirement regardless of past history.

Can we agree on that?
 

Pogo

Well-Known Member
I agree on the basic premise although :) I’m not sure the “fire” analogy is a good analogy but the principle is.

The problem I found is that, in many cases, we lost some common sense.

For an example, does having had covid before the vaccine was created create antibodies? The answer is a resounding “YES” - yet the vaccination was still pushed as a requirement regardless of past history.

Can we agree on that?
Infections vary in severity and immune response while response to the vaccine is much more consistent and valuable as a marker without the ability for individual antibody level tests so NO.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Infections vary in severity and immune response while response to the vaccine is much more consistent and valuable as a marker without the ability for individual antibody level tests so NO.

please site source



"While the quantity of antibodies decreases with time in both COVID-19 recovered patients and vaccinated individuals, the quality of antibodies performance increases following infection but not after vaccination," lead author Carmit Cohen, PhD, told Medscape Medical News.
 
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