Suppression of Free Speech on Covid

[Kathryn]

How do you believe that other vaccines differ,
& comport with the old definition rather than
the new one?

I guess it depends on what one calls a vaccine. I don't personally consider anything that has to be re administered every year at the least to be a vaccine. A shot perhaps but not a vaccine. And here we are at the start of our conversation on this!

 

[Revoltingest]

I guess it depends on what one calls a vaccine. I don't personally consider anything that has to be re administered every year at the least to be a vaccine.

Does the old definition comport with your view?
Does it mean that the flu & pneumonia vaccines , aren't vaccines because of yearly updates.
How about the RSV vaccine, which can be every other year for some?

 

[Kathryn]

Does the old definition comport with your view?
Does it mean that the flu & pneumonia vaccines , aren't vaccines because of yearly updates.
How about the RSV vaccine, which can be every other year for some?

Like I've stated before, I don't believe ANY shots that have to be retweaked and re-administered at the least every year are vaccines.

Heck, I don't like that my immune system requires any updates but hey, at least most of them are every ten years or so.

 

[Revoltingest]

Like I've stated before, I don't believe ANY shots that have to be retweaked and re-administered at the least every year are vaccines.

You've said that.
But it raises questions.

Heck, I don't like that my immune system requires any updates but hey, at least most of them are every ten years or so.

Complexity results from different diseases evolving
at different rates, & by vaccines designed to function
differently.
It sounds like you believe vaccines should all be
"one & done", or they're not a "vaccine". Many
useful vaccines aren't that way, eg, chicken pox.

I highly recommend reading on the history of
vaccines, how they're developed, how they
function, & their varying efficacy.
It's not a simple thing that one can understand
based solely on one's own reaction after each
vaccination.

 

[Kathryn]

You've said that.
But it raises questions.

Complexity results from different diseases evolving
at different rates, & by vaccines designed to function
differently.
It sounds like you believe vaccines should all be
"one & done", or they're not a "vaccine". Many
useful vaccines aren't that way, eg, chicken pox.

I highly recommend reading on the history of
vaccines, how they're developed, how they
function, & their varying efficacy.
It's not a simple thing that one can understand
based solely on one's own reaction after each
vaccination.

Yep, I get that but like I said, I don't call anything that has to be retweaked and readministered every year to be a vaccine. You can call it that but I won't. By the way, I read up on that history years ago.

 

[Revoltingest]

Yep, I get that but like I said, I don't call anything that has to be retweaked and readministered every year to be a vaccine. You can call it that but I won't.

I'm just using standard definitions.
Your personal definition is a strange
one...used by no one else I know of.

If I said you're not a human because you've
white hair, that would be equally valid.
(I wouldn't be human either.)

By the way, I read up on that history years ago.

Yet I see many errors, eg, the claim that
mrna tech was new. Also failure to take
different rates of virus evolution into
account.

 

[Kathryn]

I'm just using standard definitions.
Your personal definition is a strange
one...used by no one else I know of.

If I said you're not a human because you've
white hair, that would be equally valid.
(I wouldn't be human either.)

Yet I see many errors, eg, the claim that
mrna tech was new. Also failure to take
different rates of virus evolution into
account.

No, the definition is new. As for the rest of your post, have at lt. It won't hurt me or change anything.

 

[Revoltingest]

No, the definition is new.

Have you a source for the definition you use for "vaccine"?

 

[Kathryn]

Have you a source for the definition you use for "vaccine"?

LOL not anymore. Not that you'd find acceptable.

 

[Revoltingest]

LOL not anymore.

Don't take this the wrong way.....but you're no spring chicken.
I'm an oldster too. So I get the yearly vaccine (or whatever you
call the injection) for flu, RSV, & pneumonia. Do you?

 

[Kathryn]

Don't take this the wrong way.....but you're no spring chicken.
I'm an oldster too. So I get the yearly vaccine (or whatever you
call the injection) for flu, RSV, & pneumonia. Do you?

I get what I and everyone else I know (including my doctor) calls the flu shot. I don't get the other ones. I'm fine so far. I am still paying full price for them because I am not 65 yet and won't be for several more years.

 

[Revoltingest]

I get what I and everyone else I know (including my doctor) calls the flu shot. I don't get the other ones. I'm fine so far.

I recommend'm.
Pneumonia is no fun (been there & done that).
I'll wager that RSV can be bad too.
Are you vaccinated against shingles?

 

[Kathryn]

I recommend'm.
Pneumonia is no fun (been there & done that).
I'll wager that RSV can be bad too.
Are you vaccinated against shingles?

Nope, not yet and not likely to be. I have had shingles in the past, as well as pneumonia. I survived both!

I believe about 35 percent of Americans over aged 60 have received the Shingrex vaccine. Have you?

 

[Kathryn]

Oh, I've also had COVID - after two so called vaccinations and a booster. I had the booster in October and caught COVID in the spring of the next year. I don't remember the exact date, sorry.

 

[Revoltingest]

Nope, not yet and not likely to be. I have had shingles in the past, as well as pneumonia. I survived both!

I believe about 35 percent of Americans over aged 60 have received the Shingrex vaccine. Have you?

You betcha!
I've seen what shingles can do to a person.
Vicious disease....pain, blindness, & more.
But pneumonia is evolving, & yearly
vaccination is useful.

 

[Kathryn]

You betcha!
I've seen what shingles can do to a person.
Vicious disease....pain, blindness, & more.
But pneumonia is evolving, & yearly
vaccination is useful.

Well,, I may get the shingles one in a couple of years. Not likely to get the pneumonia one. A friend of mine got it and then got pneumonia anyway. Jury is out on the shingles vaccination but at least it's good for the rest of my life from what I read.

 

[Revoltingest]

Well,, I may get the shingles one in a couple of years. Not likely to get the pneumonia one. A friend of mine got it and then got pneumonia anyway.

Well then, better not get the pneumonia
vaccine because it always causes pneumonia.
What do epidemiologists know anyway, eh.
Can't trust statistics & public health.

Life offers no guarantees but death & taxes.
Our decisions can only improve our odds
of avoiding & surviving disease.
Consult your physician to decide.

 

[Kathryn]

Well then, better not get the pneumonia
vaccine because it always causes pneumonia.
What do epidemiologists know anyway, eh.
Can't trust statistics & public health.

Life offers no guarantees but death & taxes.
Our decisions can only improve our odds
of avoiding & surviving disease.
Consult your physician to decide.

I am not likely to do that, but thanks.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Because of the timing.

But why is the timing suspicious and/or politically motivated, in your opinion?

 

[SkepticThinker]

I guess it depends on what one calls a vaccine. I don't personally consider anything that has to be re administered every year at the least to be a vaccine. A shot perhaps but not a vaccine. And here we are at the start of our conversation on this!

Are you aware that two doses are required for the MMR vaccine we're given as babies?
There is a booster for the tetanus vaccine as well.

Do you not consider these to be vaccines?