Subduction Zone
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No, you are the one claiming pornography. The burden of proof is upon you. This is another concept that far too often you do not grasp.
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Suppression of Free Speech on Covid
- Thread starter Kenny
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this is pretty good, although the #3 is somewhat loose in understanding... the books that are requested of being pulled out fit the definition.You seem to define porn much more loosely than I do. But you're the one claiming all these books are pornographic in nature, so perhaps you should tell us your definition of porn.
pornography
noun
1: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2: material (such as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction
Definition of PORNOGRAPHY
the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement; material (such as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement… See the full definitionwww.merriam-webster.com
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Then so does the Bible. Incest porn. Bestiality. Instructions on how to turn someone into a sex slave or how to buy one. The book is full of it.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Perhaps you could provide an example.
And again, you've ignored the question about the Bible. Why?
I didn't say they did "Nothing" ... using such terminology lacks understanding of the subject matter. A localized"Outbreak" in a Hospital .. a place where sick folks tend to congregate .. how can you not want to wear a mask .. a full body suit of possible.. a loose fitting mask again is not going to be great for protection .. but its something.
This local event is completely un analogous to prevention of spread through a population. .. something which is not prevented .. or slowed to any significant degree .. as we found out in US Canada Europe .. by wearing non Darth Vader Masks and not doing hard lockdown.. these masks with the partial lockdowns did nothing of significance to prevent the spread. and when the virus got more contageous over time .. Omicron just ridiculous .. .. in my region 60% were infected over roughly a 6 week period .. the final wave.. the mask/partial lockdown was a joke - did nothing. Got an airborn nanoparticles zooming around .. God forbid you get a dangerous disease with that kind of transmissibility. .. now we are talking a real pandemic .. with 50% of the population killed .. as opposed to 40 per 100,000 .. double a normal flue-pneumonia season but nothing to get too excited about.
Fortunately by this time the toxicity of the Omnicron Virus had decreased to less than a common cold ... so this rate of infection was not a big deal.
They assume social distancing in the study silly ... Masks did very little to prevent the spread of the virus through the population .. and you would not expect something different .. unless you are wearing a mask where you sound like Darth Vader.
Needed some more skepticism rather than blind obedience on this one. .. put a little thought into airflow through an orifice .. and what happens to the person standing behind you in the grocery line when you cough or sneeze wearing a cloth mask ..
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
What study? There are a ton of them.
Already addressed.
The COVID virus travels via your spit and mucus, which tend to be larger particles. So wearing a mask does, in fact offer some protection to those around you from your spit and mucus travelling from your face to theirs. Especially if you sneeze, the mask will collect the majority of your disgusting mucus from travelling to other peoples' faces. Even more effective if you've got an N95 or better.
Soandso
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Just curious, but by "Darth Vader Masks" do you mean CAPRs? I always thought they gave people the head profile of a xenomorph, personally
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
From Amazon?Just curious, but by "Darth Vader Masks" do you mean CAPRs? I always thought they gave people the head profile of a xenomorph, personally
Evidence for the claim?
One must weigh the benefits of lockdowns against
the costs, eg, economic loss, emotional stress,
education degradation, enforcement costs & damage.
What is the full comparison of policies & results
between Sweden & countries with the most effective
mask policies? As I recall, circumstances were complex,
so one cannot simply claim that Sweden's experience
shows masks to be counter-productive.
Then ya gotta show some along with the claims.I am not anti mask .. just pro science
I agree.
But that's not an argument against masks.
BTW, my N95 masks all fit well.
I used them just last week in my travels.
And unlike pre-Covid days, I no longer
get my yearly cold.
A fitted mask is a membrane, not an orifice.
You need a better elaboration of your argument
if you want to convince an engineer with experience
in medical products, aerodynamics, & fluid mechanics.
Of course it becomes airborne.
That's when masks are useful.
The spread cannot be prevented, ie, the pandemic
was destined to become endemic.
Masking & other mitigation measures slowed the
virulence avoid over-whelming the health care system
before vaccination arrived to reduce severity.
Shadow Wolf
Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
That theater fire also lead to a lot of needlesa death and suffering.
Soandso
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Hopefully not! The hospital does like to save money, though, so I wouldn't be TOO surprised
These are the kinds we work with, though. Especially the setup on the left with the CAPR/gown combo without the mantle
I was inadvertently prepared for Covid.
I bought good N95 masks beforehand
cuz of dust (wood & metal). I had such a
bounteous supply that I donated most
to health service outfits.
I bought good N95 masks beforehand
cuz of dust (wood & metal). I had such a
bounteous supply that I donated most
to health service outfits.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
I think our most recent anti-masker can not understand the concept of lowering the rate of spread. Masks are not perfect. But they do lower the amounts of virus in the air. Whether one catches the virus is a probabilistic issue. The viral density and time spent in those environments will be key.
Evidence for what claim ? We know masks didn't work to slow the spread as you suggest .. you have absolutely no evidence showing they did .. a pure propaganda response on your part .. rambling some narrative found on a healthcare website .. an absolute falsehood at this point .. what part of 60% of population infected in 6 weeks with Omnicron did you not understand ? and I explained to you why these cloth masks would not be expected to work. Made up nonsense on your part friend.
"A fitted mask is a membrane, not an orifice" -
1) first of .. we are not discussing a fitted mask ??? What part of .. If you don't sound like Darth VAder .. did you not understand ? We are talking the loose masks thet 99% of people were wearing.
2) You have no clue what you are talking about .. a membrane is an orifice .. but we are not talking about air-flow through that orifice. How about we stop pretending having some scientific accumen of some kind .. Told you .. spend some time studying air-flow through an orifice .. enough time to be classified as an expert relative to "Covid" masking.
"The Spread can not be prevented" -- Yes .. that is what I told you .. but ..more-over .. quantified that spread .. and the rate at which it occurred .. demonstrating that masks had no significant ability to prevent the spread .. something you don't know anything about .. but again you are in luck .. because I do .. having the requisite "Science skills" to have at least a basic understanding of such things .. like the difference between a hospital outbreak and the spread of a Pandemic.
and as for Sweden .. there is a Study out on how that went .. John Campbell - on Youtube .. not to long ago .. Sweden had no increased overall deaths compared with the EU .. what was interesting was .. they had much lower excess deaths than other EU nations .. 50% less than the US which is a big number.. go find the study ... or some commentary on it .. get educated .. I don't really care one way or the other about masks .. not that much of an intrusion in to freedom .. like the Jab .. now that is another story.. a sad "my body my choice" moment.
Sweden did not lock down .. in any case .. so it was not just about the masks with them .. just have to look at our own data .. go find out how many were infected with the last Omnicron wave ..
and last "Overwhelming the Healthcare system" -- it was only the OLD + Obese + numerous comorbidities + immune compromized .. that were hitting the Hospitals in significant numbers .. these folks were --or were supposed to be -- isolated from contact with the outside world .. the rest of the population going about business .getting and spreading covid makes no difference to the Hospital statistics. .. Least that is what Rand Paul Testified before Congress a few days ago ..but this one not debated .. just realith of how this plague panned out .. went after the weak in a very disproportionate way .. such that the average flue was much more dangerous than "Omnicron" to "Healthy" people .. or even marginally healthy people.
If you wanted to not overwhelm the Healthcare system you had to go full lockdown like in Australia .. walking around with silly cloth masks when out side but socializing normally with others indoors "slightly restricted in numbers which few followed" is not going to prevent the spread in any significant way .. one less raindrop in the midst of a hurricane .. and that is "The Science" When someone tells you 60% of the population in 6 weeks. Them cloth masks that 99% of the population were wearing .. didn't do squat.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
You're good people.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
Especially when it's in such a condescending and demeaning tone. Oh and completely lacking in proper punctuation.
You're just parroting old internet bunk here. You're going to bring up Fauci next, amirite?
We've heard it before and debunked it before many times on this site.
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
Citing Rand Paul as a source
Once again, various moves were taken to slow the spread. It was pretty much admitted that it could not be stopped. And the US systems were not overwhelmed. That was almost certainly due to the steps that we took. In other countries they were overridden very quickly. We have a generally lower population density so we had a warning that they did not. Once again, masks do not totally stop transmission. They lower the rate of spread. Meanwhile I was working in a place that was covid positive pre-vaccine. It was not just the old and obese that had to worry. A coworker and I caught it both at about the same time. She was a bit younger than I am. She may have been a bit overweight, but then so is most of America. I got over it in three days. She didn't.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
In regards to Sweden and covid: Sweden’s High Covid Death Rate Among the Nordics: “Dry Tinder” and...
"We know" should be replaced with "I claim".
"Propaganda", eh. Jeeze Louise.
You made claims without evidence.
Protocol is to support your work b4
demanding evidence from skeptics.
I can see that there's no productive
discussion to be had here.