Supreme Court to Decide Whether to Kick Trump Off Ballot

[Revoltingest]

Well lads - certainly one thing we can agree on is the idea that bunch of unarmed protesters taking over a single Gov't building have some chance of taking over the USA - taking over the Gov't - is way off the Chicken Ranch loopy doopy. We have Police in this nation - Swat Teams if necessary to prevent such a thing - and if that was not successfull -- bring in the National Guard -- and if that not helping --- the army.

"A large enough group of people can be misled by someone who's goals were Tyranny" -- This is dead on point - as clearly this "Insurrection/ the sky is falling" trope has misled a huge number of people .. more on one side but, on both sides of the fence .. and the goal was clearly Tyranny .. and that special "Someone" - succeeded in that goal - the fruits of which we are already seeing at the "Cop City" protests.

Those who dissent from the propaganda narrative du jour of the Tyrrant are Persecuted - their liberty restricted and/or revoked - rule of law protections removed - trial by 3rd world kangaroo style - the normal constitutionally protected rights and justice unavailable to those demonized as "Terrorists"

Yes Lads -- is an old Tyrrant Trick -- oldest in the book .. using fear of some external or internal threat (or both in this case) to trick the citizens into giving up liberty for security .. you boys have heard Ol Ben "Those who would give up liberty for temp security deserve neighter" -- and what about this slogan "Give me liberty or Death"

Thing about Martial Law -- which allows for temporary restrictions on liberty and essential liberty -- is that it is 1) Temporary 2) requires extremely strong justification .. a real demonstrable and not hypothetical danger to the nation .. such as Russia massing at our borders .. or massive civil war - with parts of the army on the side of the freedom fighters .. fighting the tyrannical oppression.

Somehow - the people so misled - to have allowed this Police State Power Grab to 1) be permanent, 2) had no legitimate justification in the first place . the jokers trying to attach new definitions to words like "Insurrection" -- make the Facist legislation fit somehow will try the misled.

"Insurrection" - how on earth were these unarmed insurrectionists taking over one building going to defeat the Police and the army ? How were the Cop City protesters going to do this.

What ? .. whats this ? Ohhhhh .. did not put that one together I see. the justification bar required for the removal of legally protected rights (Marshal Law) - was not required to achieve the same designation for the Cop City Protesters .. way down the slippery slope the slide.

Yes .. those that have been misled were no chumps in many cases .. on both sides of the fence.. but misled they were .. tricked by Police State Tyranny tactics.. of quite a complex and insidious variety .. not easy to spot at all .. few are going to thing things through .. to realize the consequences of this Precedent in Law .. "Liberalization of the Espionage Act" you could call it .. and the "Rico" - at the same time.

One day you lads will be upset by something .. may find yourself in a protest .. where someone uses a racist slur - pushes against a barrier which gives way hurting some people - the requisite requirement for "Terrorist" met -- subjected to the GITMO - like Treatment -- Perhaps you were out there protesting "Forced Medical Treatment" .. No ? Not out there standing for liberty ? -- don't be too hard on yourself .. I wasn't out there with a sign either .. such a lazy and complacent society we have become .. easy pickens for the Tyrrants .. and the Tyrannical Oligarchs who run this nation.

Too many words with too little organization.
If it were clearer, I'd read it. I advise working
on brevity & clarity.

 

[Sargonski]

Too many words with too little organization.
If it were clearer, I'd read it. I advise working
on brevity & clarity.

"Too many words with too little organization"

Code for Position crucified - brain can not respond with anything but invective - Necessary illusion bubble pricked but no idea how to respond .. TFS blindness getting in the way - (Fixation) leading to blurry vision .. can't read the words on the page .. feel like a cat in a cage.. "and Ive been crying for days cause Im falling apart" ..

and if you can name that tune big kudos . Brief enough for you friend .. Clear as NY-Snow

 

[Revoltingest]

"Too many words with too little organization"

Code for Position crucified - brain can not respond with anything but invective.

I don't even know what position you're taking.
Your post is so jumbled, that it doesn't inspire
effort to decode it.

 

[Sargonski]

I don't even know what position you're taking.
Your post is so jumbled, that it doesn't inspire
effort to decode it.

Its ok Friend .. that lack of knowng feeling is a symptom of TFS - The position taken - is that the capital protest was not an "Insurrection" having no conceivable chance of defeating the police, national guard, Army to take over the Nation/Gov't.

and 2) actions of the Blue clownshow to get Trump - have included illegitimacy of authority - resulting in totalitarian police state legal actions and precedent.

Brief enough for you friend ? .. can't make it much slimmer .. what part of "Illegitimacy of authority" had you never heard of before today

 

[Revoltingest]

Its ok Friend .. that lack of knowng feeling is a symptom of TFS....

Well, that's just PRQL, not DSTR.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well lads - certainly one thing we can agree on is the idea that bunch of unarmed protesters taking over a single Gov't building have some chance of taking over the USA - taking over the Gov't - is way off the Chicken Ranch loopy doopy. We have Police in this nation - Swat Teams if necessary to prevent such a thing - and if that was not successfull -- bring in the National Guard -- and if that not helping --- the army.

"A large enough group of people can be misled by someone who's goals were Tyranny" -- This is dead on point - as clearly this "Insurrection/ the sky is falling" trope has misled a huge number of people .. more on one side but, on both sides of the fence .. and the goal was clearly Tyranny .. and that special "Someone" - succeeded in that goal - the fruits of which we are already seeing at the "Cop City" protests.

Those who dissent from the propaganda narrative du jour of the Tyrrant are Persecuted - their liberty restricted and/or revoked - rule of law protections removed - trial by 3rd world kangaroo style - the normal constitutionally protected rights and justice unavailable to those demonized as "Terrorists"

Yes Lads -- is an old Tyrrant Trick -- oldest in the book .. using fear of some external or internal threat (or both in this case) to trick the citizens into giving up liberty for security .. you boys have heard Ol Ben "Those who would give up liberty for temp security deserve neighter" -- and what about this slogan "Give me liberty or Death"

Thing about Martial Law -- which allows for temporary restrictions on liberty and essential liberty -- is that it is 1) Temporary 2) requires extremely strong justification .. a real demonstrable and not hypothetical danger to the nation .. such as Russia massing at our borders .. or massive civil war - with parts of the army on the side of the freedom fighters .. fighting the tyrannical oppression.

Somehow - the people so misled - to have allowed this Police State Power Grab to 1) be permanent, 2) had no legitimate justification in the first place . the jokers trying to attach new definitions to words like "Insurrection" -- make the Facist legislation fit somehow will try the misled.

"Insurrection" - how on earth were these unarmed insurrectionists taking over one building going to defeat the Police and the army ? How were the Cop City protesters going to do this.

What ? .. whats this ? Ohhhhh .. did not put that one together I see. the justification bar required for the removal of legally protected rights demonstrate

aw) - was not required to achieve the same designation for the Cop City Protesters .. way down the slippery slope the slide.

Yes .. those that have been misled were no chumps in many cases .. on both sides of the fence.. but misled they were .. tricked by Police State Tyranny tactics.. of quite a complex and insidious variety .. not easy to spot at all .. few are going to thing things through .. to realize the consequences of this Precedent in Law .. "Liberalization of the Espionage Act" you could call it .. and the "Rico" - at the same time.

One day you lads will be upset by something .. may find yourself in a protest .. where someone uses a racist slur - pushes against a barrier which gives way hurting some people - the requisite requirement for "Terrorist" met -- subjected to the GITMO - like Treatment -- Perhaps you were out there protesting "Forced Medical Treatment" .. No ? Not out there standing for liberty ? -- don't be too hard on yourself .. I wasn't out there with a sign either .. such a lazy and complacent society we have become .. easy pickens for the Tyrrants .. and the Tyrannical Oligarchs who run this nation.

And as has been shown the ability to succeed has nothing to do with whether a crime was an attempted insurrection or not. Not only.did my source show you to be wrong in that regard, the people found guilty of attempted insurrection demonstrate that you are wrong. They had legal help far more competent than you are and they never tried that brain dead idea in their defense.


But I must admit hat your level.of.projection appears to be striving for a record.

 

[F1fan]

" Your oblivious" the poster cries ..

This poster gets English correct. It's "You're oblivious." My apologies if English isn't your first language, but work on learning your contractions.

not managing to state to what. Obvlivious to what friend ? = incoherent ranting.

What are you asking here?

How can one make sense out of anything you say - when you don't state what you are saying -- unable to even qualify your insults?

By reading and being educted.

"Passive MAGAism" What does this loopy doopy made up nonsense mean ?

Sorry, I thought you wre educated. To say passive MAGAism is to support the MAGA ideology in it's attack on democracy and against democracy and liberalism while not being openly in favor of MAGA or Trump. It's a deceptive approach. We don't know if you are genuinely self-deceived on these issues or just playing a game.

I told you my arguments against Trump are way better than yours ...

Yeah, you rant about a lot of things while not using coherent sentences or punctuation.

and of course I attack stupid arguments .. and recognize that even Trump is entitled to Rule of Law Protections that you wish to remove - not just for Trump but for anyone who would dare protest - is this Trump induced blind rage .. completely blind and oblivious to the consequences of such action.

See what I mean? Lots of sentence fragments that are disconnected and offer no coherent ideas based on evidence. It's as if you know your beliefs are flawed and you vomit out this nonsense.

So best you take the log out of your own obvlivious eyes prior picking speck out of your brothers eye and stop projecting your failings onto others.

And more projection. That means you assert others have the flaws you see in yourself. So thanks for the confession.

 

[F1fan]

Those who dissent from the propaganda narrative du jour of the Tyrrant are Persecuted - their liberty restricted and/or revoked - rule of law protections removed - trial by 3rd world kangaroo style - the normal constitutionally protected rights and justice unavailable to those demonized as "Terrorists"

Domestic terrorism is a real and ongoing thereat in the USA, and it has increased since the rise of Trump in politics. The oath of office includes recognizing domestic threats as something to fight against.

Thing about Martial Law -- which allows for temporary restrictions on liberty and essential liberty -- is that it is 1) Temporary 2) requires extremely strong justification .. a real demonstrable and not hypothetical danger to the nation .. such as Russia massing at our borders .. or massive civil war - with parts of the army on the side of the freedom fighters .. fighting the tyrannical oppression.

Trump has stated that he intends to use his emergency powers to go after those citizens he believes to be against him IF he wins re-election. That is a violation of the oath of office and a misuse of authority. That intent illustrates he is not fit for the presidency. He is less fit than in 2017.

Somehow - the people so misled - to have allowed this Police State Power Grab to 1) be permanent, 2) had no legitimate justification in the first place . the jokers trying to attach new definitions to words like "Insurrection" -- make the Facist legislation fit somehow will try the misled.

This is a claim that isn't based in any fact or reality. The courts have been quite liberal with allowing free speech.

"Insurrection" - how on earth were these unarmed insurrectionists taking over one building going to defeat the Police and the army ? How were the Cop City protesters going to do this.

Because the police could not shoot and kill citizen protestors, and the numbers of rioters overwhelmed the police. Over 1000 of the rioters have been arrested and convicted. Their intent was to disrupt the congress in their duty to count the electors. That has to be done on Jan 6th by law. The hope was if the insurrectionists were able to stop congress that there would be a constitutional crisis, and the 2020 election might be nullified. They believed Trump would stay in power until this was resolved.

What would have happened if some of these rioters got ahold of members of congress?

What ? .. whats this ? Ohhhhh .. did not put that one together I see. the justification bar required for the removal of legally protected rights (Marshal Law) - was not required to achieve the same designation for the Cop City Protesters .. way down the slippery slope the slide.

Yes .. those that have been misled were no chumps in many cases .. on both sides of the fence.. but misled they were .. tricked by Police State Tyranny tactics.. of quite a complex and insidious variety .. not easy to spot at all .. few are going to thing things through .. to realize the consequences of this Precedent in Law .. "Liberalization of the Espionage Act" you could call it .. and the "Rico" - at the same time.

More incoherent ranting.

One day you lads will be upset by something .. may find yourself in a protest .. where someone uses a racist slur - pushes against a barrier which gives way hurting some people - the requisite requirement for "Terrorist" met -- subjected to the GITMO - like Treatment -- Perhaps you were out there protesting "Forced Medical Treatment" .. No ? Not out there standing for liberty ? -- don't be too hard on yourself .. I wasn't out there with a sign either .. such a lazy and complacent society we have become .. easy pickens for the Tyrrants .. and the Tyrannical Oligarchs who run this nation.

Citizens are free to protest, but they have to do so peacefully. It's the violence that is illegal.

 

[metis]

Yes, but I am pretty sure that they had their muskets before they began training. For many at that time game was an important supplemental source of protein for many. At that time a well armed public was needed for defense of the country

Which obviously is why the 2nd Amendment was passed.

We no longer have that need. If January 6 taught us anything a well armed public may now be a threat to democracy

Totally absolutely 100% agreed.

 

[Sargonski]

Domestic terrorism is a real and ongoing thereat in the USA, and it has increased since the rise of Trump in politics.

More incoherent ranting.

Citizens are free to protest, but they have to do so peacefully. It's the violence that is illegal.

"Violence is illegal ?" No kidding - now there is an astonishing fact .. but does it have a point with respect to "Domestic Terrorism" ?

Are you claiming that all protests where violence happens -- everyone involved in the protest .. is a "Domestic Terrorist".

Speaking of "Incoherent ranting" --- your words .. not mine .. looks like we got some pot calling kettle black action .. but when deciphered somewhat .. and we had to guess your meaning ... your down the path to totalitarian police state .. via avenue fallacious utilitarianism.

Now there is a mouthfull for you to ingest "Fallacious - Utilitarianism" as justification for law -- an anathema to the founding principle .. but the Prog Blue collectivists dream card.

 

[Sargonski]

And as has been shown the ability to succeed has nothing to do with whether a crime was an attempted insurrection or not. Not only.did my source show you to be wrong in that regard, the people found guilty of attempted insurrection demonstrate that you are wrong. They had legal help far more competent than you are and they never tried that brain dead idea in their defense.


But I must admit hat your level.of.projection appears to be striving for a record.

You say " Ability to succeed at what has nothing to do with whether the crime was "Insurrection" or not ?" Succeed at what ? but if this what has nothing to do with insurrection then why have you been swearing up and down that it was an insurrection post after post ?

and then .. why on earth are you then talking about people found guilty of "attempted insurrection" is this has nothing to do with whether the crime was insurrection ? and what was shown to be wrong ?

This makes absolutely no sense friend .. and what is it that you think is being projected ?

Do you know what a naked claim is friend ? and do you know what an argument is ? .. but, did you know why a naked claim is not an argument ? here is the first riddle you must solve

 

[Subduction Zone]

You say " Ability to succeed at what has nothing to do with whether the crime was "Insurrection" or not ?" Succeed at what ? but if this what has nothing to do with insurrection then why have you been swearing up and down that it was an insurrection post after post ?

and then .. why on earth are you then talking about people found guilty of "attempted insurrection" is this has nothing to do with whether the crime was insurrection ? and what was shown to be wrong ?

This makes absolutely no sense friend .. and what is it that you think is being projected ?

Do you know what a naked claim is friend ? and do you know what an argument is ? .. but, did you know why a naked claim is not an argument ? here is the first riddle you must solve

You need to learn how to use quotation marks.

 

[Subduction Zone]

`Well, who would have believed it? I have to admit that @Sargonski was right. The Colorado court is a kangaroo court:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/politics/trump-colorado-ballot-14th-amendment-insurrection/index.html

Okay, to be serious now. The judge found that Trump was guilty of being an insurrectionist but said that the language of the 14th Amendment specifically did not include the President. Is this the end of this? Almost certainly not. It will be appealed, and this may have made it worse for Trump because the judge made it more than clear that Trump was guilty of all of the wrong doings that he was charged with. It was only in her interpretation of the 14th that Trump got off. This won't end until it gets to the USSC.

 

[Sargonski]

`Well, who would have believed it? I have to admit that @Sargonski was right. The Colorado court is a kangaroo court:

https://www.cnn.com/2023/11/17/politics/trump-colorado-ballot-14th-amendment-insurrection/index.html

Okay, to be serious now. The judge found that Trump was guilty of being an insurrectionist but said that the language of the 14th Amendment specifically did not include the President. Is this the end of this? Almost certainly not. It will be appealed, and this may have made it worse for Trump because the judge made it more than clear that Trump was guilty of all of the wrong doings that he was charged with. It was only in her interpretation of the 14th that Trump got off. This won't end until it gets to the USSC.

Finally reality sinks in ! better late than never though, congratulations. For a moment there I thought you were going to go with the appeal to authority fallacy "cause a Judge says so it must be true" .. instead of understanding it is the definition of Kangaroo

 

[Sargonski]

You need to learn how to use quotation marks.

What is the difference between typo nazism and quotation mark nazism ?

 

[Sargonski]

Well, that's just PRQL, not DSTR.

Did you understand the word (Fixation) in the acronym TFS friend - has something to do being fixated on Trump I believe ?

 

[Subduction Zone]

What is the difference between typo nazism and quotation mark nazism ?

Hardly "nazism". When you screw up what you claim that someone said it makes quite a difference. I try not to sound ignorant, you don't seem to care at times.

 

[Sargonski]

Hardly "nazism". When you screw up what you claim that someone said it makes quite a difference. I try not to sound ignorant, you don't seem to care at times.

I didn't creat the term friend. Do you not know what Typo nazism is .. then you follow up this lack of understanding of the term Typo Nazism .. by crying out that others are ignorant .. and don't care about it.

Do you not understand that Typo Nazism has little to do with the Nazi's -- and why do you not seem to care about this and other lapses in understanding ?

 

[Subduction Zone]

I didn't creat the term friend. Do you not know what Typo nazism is .. then you follow up this lack of understanding of the term Typo Nazism .. by crying out that others are ignorant .. and don't care about it.

Do you not understand that Typo Nazism has little to do with the Nazi's -- and why do you not seem to care about this and other lapses in understanding ?

No, you just abused it. Just clean up your game if you don't want to always make yourself look foolish here.

 

[F1fan]

You say " Ability to succeed at what has nothing to do with whether the crime was "Insurrection" or not ?" Succeed at what ? but if this what has nothing to do with insurrection then why have you been swearing up and down that it was an insurrection post after post ?

You make the suggestion that the Trump rioters did not take over enough government buildings to take over the government. That wasn't the plan. The intent was to stop the counting of the electors from all 50 states, which HAD to be done on Jan 6. Their hope was that if the counting wasn't done that the election process is stopped, and then nullified, or something. They had two options, on that the fake electors would be allowed to cast their votes AFTER various courts ruled that certain swing states would throw out some ballots, or all of them due to claims of fraud. Of course these fraud claims were baseless. Their alternative hope was that if the process wasn't followed, with the electors being counted on Jan 6 (which is required via the constitution), then the election is irrelevant and Trump stays president until some resolution. The ideal option was that the House gets a republican majority, and they decide who wins the presidency instead of the vote count, which is what happens if a candidate does not get 270 elector votes.

and then .. why on earth are you then talking about people found guilty of "attempted insurrection" is this has nothing to do with whether the crime was insurrection ? and what was shown to be wrong ?

The aim was to sabotage the elector count, and then allow Trump an opportunity to win when he actually lost.