Surprising lack of knowledge among theists.

[Smoke]

I'd say that teaching your children your own beliefs and values as they grow up is a very different thing from subjecting them to the kind of emotional abuse and manipulation exhibited in Jesus Camp. Surely that kind of thing is relatively rare even among religious people.

 

[Apex]

I'd say that teaching your children your own beliefs and values as they grow up is a very different thing from subjecting them to the kind of emotional abuse and manipulation exhibited in Jesus Camp. Surely that kind of thing is relatively rare even among religious people.

Finally someone says it. I am tired of non-theists acting and insinuating that Jesus Camp is the norm rather than the exception to the rule.

 

[madhatter85]

Finally someone says it. I am tired of non-theists acting and insinuating that Jesus Camp is the norm rather than the exception to the rule.

It's the norm to a specific demographic of evangellical chrisitans. Especially int he "Bible Belt" area of the U.S.

Every day those same people are out in the brand new popular strip mall in our area, (It's somewhere between a strip mall and an actual mall, it's like an actual mall but it doesn't have a roof)

they stand out there and peddle thier ideas and debate people about scripture and salvation. I have been engaged in coversation with a few of them and they are exactly like the ones depicted in Jesus Camp

 

[crystalonyx]

I'd say that teaching your children your own beliefs and values as they grow up is a very different thing from subjecting them to the kind of emotional abuse and manipulation exhibited in Jesus Camp. Surely that kind of thing is relatively rare even among religious people.

Except many, many parents will shelter their children from other beliefs, expecially NON-belief. Maybe not abuse in your eyes, but it is in mine.

 

[Valjean]

Jesus Camp has only a few weeks to inculcate it's ideas in these young campers. Naturally it has to deliver its message in intense and concentrated form.
Parents have the advantage of a receptive, uncritical and captive audience for years. They can afford to be gentle and subtle. The ROM download is no different, though. All of us are socialized in our youth.

 

[madhatter85]

Jesus Camp has only a few weeks to inculcate it's ideas in these young campers. Naturally it has to deliver its message in intense and concentrated form.
Parents have the advantage of a receptive, uncritical and captive audience for years. They can afford to be gentle and subtle. The ROM download is no different, though. All of us are socialized in our youth.

oh yes very much so.

Like you dais "Jesus Camp" is only a few weeks, Peopel do not become indocrinated in only a few weeks time. This same stuff has to be thourouly ground into them and taught to them kind of like brainwashing before it becomes such an integral part of thier being that nothing will change it.

 

[logician]

Anyone that's attended just your average Christian church in the U.S. knows the amount of indoctrination that goes on, and I'm not even including private religious schools associated with the churches.

 

[Apex]

Anyone that's attended just your average Christian church in the U.S. knows the amount of indoctrination that goes on, and I'm not even including private religious schools associated with the churches.

You do realize that without thorough research and sources to back this claim up, it is nothing but a logical fallacy and your own personal opinion.

 

[logician]

You do realize that without thorough research and sources to back this claim up, it is nothing but a logical fallacy and your own personal opinion.

YOu're quite right, but I've been there, done that.

 

[darkendless]

Anyone that's attended just your average Christian church in the U.S. knows the amount of indoctrination that goes on, and I'm not even including private religious schools associated with the churches.

When i went to school there was indoctrination to some extent, more like spreading the word of God through discussion however, rather than sending public school kids to church.
Private religious schools do send their pupils to church and they do have to study the bible, but to my suprise, they are quite open-minded. My friend is finishing year 12 at a Lutheran school (Trinity for anyone who lives in Queensland) and he wrote a biblical assignment on Satanism without getting in trouble.
Sure some schools may be very intolerant, possibly due to location, but i believe in a multi-cultural society, we are beginning to see tolerance within schools.
Having said that i would not send my child to a private/religious school before the age of 13 as i do not want his/her eager mind being clouded by religion until they're ready to make their own decisions. Sending your child to a place like Jesus camp is destroying any chance for the child to choose religion for themselves i think.

 

[DallasApple]

YOu're quite right, but I've been there, done that.

Logician...Just a friendly hint..Im sure you hate my albino tiger..But that avatar of yours???..Its the WORST...it makes you look like a dumb ***..Rethink it ..Im serious as a heart attack..Change it..PLEASE!!!!

Love

Dallas

 

[Valjean]

ROFL!

Logician's avatar is Curly, from the Three Stooges. Curly is a numbskull, a nitwit. He's the antithesis of a logician. That's the joke. It's like TVOR's (I think it's TVOR's) brainless scarecrow icon.



I like both of your Icons. Yours is cuddly, sort of. His is clever.

 

[Scuba Pete]

That's the joke. It's like TVOR's (I think it's TVOR's) brainless scarecrow icon.

Yet, TVOR lives up to his name!

 

[DallasApple]

ROFL!

Logician's avatar is Curly, from the Three Stooges. Curly is a numbskull, a nitwit. He's the antithesis of a logician. That's the joke. It's like TVOR's (I think it's TVOR's) brainless scarecrow icon.



I like both of your Icons. Yours is cuddly, sort of. His is clever.

I grew up with the "Three Stooges"...(hopefully re-runs)

I should poke your eyes out to prove it!(I hated that show)...

Love

Dallas

 

[DallasApple]

Curly ,Mo and Larry...

Curly was mean to Mo and Larry...

Or was it Mo that was an *** hole???(I cant remember...my albino head gets in my way)

Love

Dallas

 

[Sententia]

Curly ,Mo and Larry...

Curly was mean to Mo and Larry...

Or was it Mo that was an *** hole???(I cant remember...my albino head gets in my way)

Love

Dallas

Curly was the dumb one and sometimes replaced with shemp... Mo was mean to everyone.

 

[logician]

My avatar was meant mainly that I don't take my handle too seriously.

 

[Storm]

That part is way beyond obvious.

 

[lilithu]

Meanwhile, if you want to assert that Christianity does not rest on the truth of the Bible, I suggest that you take that up with the millions of Christians who believe and assert that it does, not with me.

I did NOT say that Christianity doesn't rest on the truth of the bible. The truth of the bible for most Christians is that God so love the world that He gave His Son so that whosoever believes will be saved. The truth of the bible is not being able to list the names of the twelve apostles or the prophets that went before. You show me a Christian who believes that salvation depends on knowing the names of the twelve apostles AND THEN you can laud it over them that you know more of these factoids than they do.

 

[Autodidact]

I grew up with the "Three Stooges"...(hopefully re-runs)

I should poke your eyes out to prove it!(I hated that show)...

Love

Dallas

I don't know, they say it's a guy thing.