Surprising lack of knowledge among theists.

[Scuba Pete]

This just shows your ignorance and bias towards atheism. Evolution and atheism have nothing to do with each other.

That was INDEED my point. Thank goodness I wasn't trying to be subtle!

 

[Mister Emu]

Of course, those who are REALLY faithful to college football only root for the

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Blasphemy...

 

[Storm]

What's blasphemy?

 

[Scuba Pete]

What's blasphemy?

From Dictionary.com

4.irreverent behavior toward anything held sacred, priceless, etc.: He uttered blasphemies against life itself.

This is best evidenced by not rooting for the

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[Mister Emu]

What's blasphemy?

Pete's unHoly fanship of the Gators...

 

[Magic Man]

That was INDEED my point. Thank goodness I wasn't trying to be subtle!

So, the Bible and Christianity have nothing to do with each other?

 

[Scuba Pete]

So, the Bible and Christianity have nothing to do with each other?

Knowledge of the OLD TESTAMENT surely does not.

 

[Magic Man]

Knowledge of the OLD TESTAMENT surely does not.

Then, why is it part of the Bible?

And even if that's true, then the what about the New Testament? If you don't know wnything about that, are you still a Christian?

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Of course, those who are REALLY faithful to college football only root for the

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Amen and amen.

 

[Storm]

From Dictionary.com

4.irreverent behavior toward anything held sacred, priceless, etc.: He uttered blasphemies against life itself

I know what blasphemy IS, I didn't know what Mister Emu was CALLING blasphemy.

 

[fantome profane]

Reposting because I think it got lost in the dread Dawkins debate:

Leaving the question of Dawkins' credibility aside....

Even if I accepted this at face value, which I don't, I wouldn't accept it as being reflective of actual Christians. That is to say, the majority of US "Christians" in my experience have never really given it much thought. They're not really believers, they're just going with what they were taught, because they don't really care one way or another. They call themselves Christian more out of habit than conviction.

Now, that could easily be taken the wrong way, so let me make it clear that it's not a value judgement. I'm not saying that they're "not True Christians" because they're theologically ignorant. I'm pointing out that most people, again imx, are apathetic. Not everyone has an interest in God, just we don't all have an interest in poetry, or music, or sports. And that's fine.

But unlike poetry, music, or sports, there is a cultural expectation of some theological label as part of one's identity. This leads the people who don't care to just accept the religious identity they were raised to, which is overwhelmingly Christian in the US.

Because most theologically apathetic people in the US accept the label of "Christian" polls such as the one cited will find disproportionate numbers of theologically ignorant "Christians."

I agree. Christianity is the dominant religion in the west. People who are apathetic, lazy, and/or just not willing to put a lot of thought or effort into it will naturally fall into the “gravity well” of the largest religion around them.

This is not a problem with Christianity, it is a problem with humans. And it is not to say that there aren’t intelligent thoughtful caring Christians as well, there are huge numbers of such people. But it is just a fact of human nature that people will follow a crowd.

 

[Scuba Pete]

Then, why is it part of the Bible?

And even if that's true, then the what about the New Testament? If you don't know wnything about that, are you still a Christian?

I believe you will find a BUNCH of Christians who had no benefit of the New Testament in the Book of Acts. Do you feel that somehow these are lesser Christians because they could not recite I Timothy or II Peter? Again, your desire to impose YOUR standards of faith on Christianity rather underwhelms me.

 

[sandy whitelinger]

Pete's unHoly fanship of the Gators...

If you've ever been to a Gator game at Florida Field you would truly understand the unholy nature of the event.

 

[Scuba Pete]

it is a problem with humans.

Amen bro, amen! If a fallacy can be observed in both theist and atheist, then you can not blame either for it's existence. There is no fallacy known to theists that has not also been embraced by atheists. Anyone who tells you differently is trying to sell you something.

 

[Magic Man]

I believe you will find a BUNCH of Christians who had no benefit of the New Testament in the Book of Acts. Do you feel that somehow these are lesser Christians because they could not recite I Timothy or II Peter? Again, your desire to impose YOUR standards of faith on Christianity rather underwhelms me.

You can avoid the question all you want, but it doesn't change the answer. The Bible is used in every organized church of Christianity for a reason. Evolution and atheism have nothing to do with each other.

 

[Scuba Pete]

If you've ever been to a Gator game at Florida Field you would truly understand the unholy nature of the event.

Picture the Spanish Inquisition, only a bit more violent. We will purge you of your sin of not rooting for the

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[Magic Man]

This is not a problem with Christianity, it is a problem with humans. And it is not to say that there aren’t intelligent thoughtful caring Christians as well, there are huge numbers of such people. But it is just a fact of human nature that people will follow a crowd.

Indeed, and pointing out the fact that people are just following a crowd is amusing to me.

 

[Scuba Pete]

You can avoid the question all you want, but it doesn't change the answer. The Bible is used in every organized church of Christianity for a reason. Evolution and atheism have nothing to do with each other.

I DID answer your question by example. Now you are confusing "churches" with Christianity. Make up your mind here.

 

[fantome profane]

The point is... you don't need to know tidily about Moses or Noah's Ark to live a Christian life. Trying to impose YOUR STANDARDS on someone else's belief system is flawed at best and the motivation to do so is highly suspect.

Do you need to fully understand evolution to be an atheist? Yeah, it's just that stupid.

But we are not talking about little details just a general grasp of the major points. It just seems to me that anyone who follows one of the Abrahamic faiths should know who Abraham was. It seems to me that people who proudly claim that they live their lives by the ten commandments should know what the ten commandments are. I don’t think that is unreasonable.

 

[Magic Man]

I DID answer your question by example. Now you are confusing "churches" with Christianity. Make up your mind here.

No, you never answered the question of why th OT is part of the Bible, and why Christians use the Bible as a resource at all. How about this: If you follow the Bible and believe what it says, you are a Christian, right? If you follow and endorse evolution, you are not necessarily an atheist, right? That's because evolution and atheism are irrelevant to each other. The Bible and Christianity are very relevant to each other.