Swamp and DNC on Trial

[metis]

The Democrats ran fake Congressional and Senate trials since 2016. Does anyone remember the Collusion Coup and scam trials for two circumstantial evidence based impeachments? Why not speak up about fake trials then? The Democrats complain after 1 day of cross examination, and act like this is unprecedented. Your leaders are good liars and cry babies.

The point I was making in my opening post is the FBI had the laptop for a year before the NY Post Story went public. It took until the story broke, almost a year later, for it to be called Russian Disinformation by the FBI. This FBI claim was easily debunked in weeks even by Left Wing Media; ABC News. How could the FBI take so long, and still be so wrong? One has to conclude they are either the worse detectives in US history, or they were covering up for Biden. Either way something needs to be done.

I would have given the FBI the benefits of the doubt, if they just received the laptop a few weeks before the election. The problem is they had a year notice, and still used that sympathy excuse, a month before the election, that they knew was false. This was a conspiracy to election tamper; censor and bury bad news to cover crimes. This involved social media being scammed or accomplices.

Consider this scenario. Say you were Trump. You receive the news of the Laptop a year before the election. You make sure the FBI gets it, early, before even the Democrats nominates Biden. Biden was nominated on April 8, 2020. The FBI had the laptop since late 2019. The FBI foot drags their analysis and tries to bury it, forever.

Team Trump waits, but can no longer wait to make this public, so they release the data a month before the election, only to have the FBI claim it was Russian Disinformation, after a year of internal analysis proved it was real. I would assume collusion, leading to election interference. It did not initially target presidential nominee Biden, just possible candidate Biden, since the laptop was there before Biden was a done deal as other nominee.

The other scenario is the fix for Biden was already in, way before the Nomination process. Democrat have been known to election cheat their own voters, when it comes to DNC nominations; Hillary over Bernie hurt the party in 2016. Trump won, due to the election tampering in the Democrat Primaries. This split the party to some degree. Bernie had the momentum but Trump won the election. If the DNC all rip off their loyal base would they be honorable with their enemies or cheat worse?

After seeing the fix was in, knowing what President Trump would know, is it wrong to complain about election tampering? Is that a good inference or is the Left wing conspiracy theory of Russian tampering still better?

The riot at the Capital can now be seen as angry citizens concerned about getting the crooks, who were continuing their illegal 2016 coup against Trump. The Jan 6 trials were a misdirect scam; prop. This was designed to hide the criminals, who election tampered, under the guise, the demonstrations occurred without any reason or any proof of election tampering. Now we know they had a good reason; fight treason.

Say Musk had bought Twitter in November, just after the election, but before the swearing in of Biden, would the public outcry have required a redo at minimum, or an investigation without any swearing? The Cheat has now lingered too long, so all you can do is hold all the crooks accountable, so this cannot happen again. This is why the head of the FBI and Biden's AG are now asked to testify under oath, at risk of jail, after they foot dragged the documents requested for two years. Now they have to incriminate each other.

You really are so completely gullible to disinformation, and no amount of reality are you willing to deal with and accept. Heck, you might as well just quote the likes of Carlton, Hannity, and Ingram and just move on.

 

[Subduction Zone]

What did Biden get done? I'm not aware of anything useful or beneficial.

Americans are definitely more worse off and destitute then ever now.

Unless of course, your making six figures or more.

Yes, but the economy moves slowly. Biden is dealing with troubles that largely started under Trump.

You should take some basic economic courses.

 

[Guitar's Cry]

I think you missed the point. The FBI was telling Twitter what to do to suppress certain peoples speech.

Leading up to the 2020 elections, the FBI was aggressively pushing Twitter to take down accounts, often sending spreadsheets with hundreds of names to be addressed.

Twitter was so overwhelmed with the requests to suppress and silence voices in the lead-up to the elections that it asked the FBI to prioritize requests.

Independent journalist and author David Zweig summed up how Twitter “rigged” the debate around COVID:

• By censoring info that was true, but inconvenient to U.S. government policy.
• By discrediting doctors and other experts who disagreed.
• By suppressing ordinary users, including some sharing the CDC’s own data.

This is the government censoring speech through a 3rd party, that is unconstitutional.

From what I understand, the FBI was requesting moderation on misinformation with Twitter employees often not following through with the requests. That's not government censorship.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

By chance, do you get your "news" from Fox?

I read the emails myself. Have you?

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

From what I understand, the FBI was requesting moderation on misinformation with Twitter employees often not following through with the requests. That's not government censorship.

Did you read the emails between the FBI and twitter employees?

 

[metis]

I read the emails myself. Have you?

No, but since they weren't in possession of him, that's being investigated. Either way, what does this have to do with Joe Biden?

IOW, I'm gonna wait for what the investigation turns up before drawing conclusions one way or the other.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

No, but since they weren't in possession of him, that's being investigated. Either way, what does this have to do with Joe Biden?

IOW, I'm gonna wait for what the investigation turns up before drawing conclusions one way or the other.

I think I am posting in the wrong thread. I was talking about the Twitter files not the laptop.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

Did you read the emails between the FBI and twitter employees?

If there were anything damning from "the Twitter files" it would be news right now. So far, all that's been shown is instances of the FBI literally asking Twitter to enforce its own terms of service and bringing to light several instances of illegal activity they were missing. Meanwhile, ACTUAL studies have shown that Twitter has a strong pro-right bias on news issues.

I mean, seriously, do the Republican party just really want to see Hunter Biden's illegally leaked nudes THAT much? It seems they want to point the finger of conspiracy anywhere except their own leaders who openly collaborated with known fascists in order to incite a violent uprising against democracy.

Funny how they want to downplay that and play up ACTUAL nothing-burgers like this.

 

[metis]

I think I am posting in the wrong thread. I was talking about the Twitter files not the laptop.

No worries.

 

[Wandering Monk]

If there were anything damning from "the Twitter files" it would be news right now. So far, all that's been shown is instances of the FBI literally asking Twitter to enforce its own terms of service and bringing to light several instances of illegal activity they were missing. Meanwhile, ACTUAL studies have shown that Twitter has a strong pro-right bias on news issues.

I mean, seriously, do the Republican party just really want to see Hunter Biden's illegally leaked nudes THAT much? It seems they want to point the finger of conspiracy anywhere except their own leaders who openly collaborated with known fascists in order to incite a violent uprising against democracy.

Funny how they want to downplay that and play up ACTUAL nothing-burgers like this.

How can anything on that laptop be used as evidence given the fact that the chain of custody was compromised the second it left the repair shop.

 

[Fool]

I think you missed the point. The FBI was telling Twitter what to do to suppress certain peoples speech.

Leading up to the 2020 elections, the FBI was aggressively pushing Twitter to take down accounts, often sending spreadsheets with hundreds of names to be addressed.

Twitter was so overwhelmed with the requests to suppress and silence voices in the lead-up to the elections that it asked the FBI to prioritize requests.

Independent journalist and author David Zweig summed up how Twitter “rigged” the debate around COVID:

• By censoring info that was true, but inconvenient to U.S. government policy.
• By discrediting doctors and other experts who disagreed.
• By suppressing ordinary users, including some sharing the CDC’s own data.

This is the government censoring speech through a 3rd party, that is unconstitutional.

government agencies aren't limited to advising companies. they didn't force anyone to shut anything/anyone down.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

government agencies aren't limited to advising companies. they didn't force anyone to shut anything/anyone down.

So you are ok with the government "advising" or pressuring companies to take down opposing political speech. It is not like they targeted leftist political speech that was false. Governments cannot pressure companies to limit speech they don't like period.

 

[Fool]

So you are ok with the government "advising" or pressuring companies to take down opposing political speech. It is not like they targeted leftist political speech that was false. Governments cannot pressure companies to limit speech they don't like period.

i'm not opposed to countering mis/disinformation.

 

[Clizby Wampuscat]

i'm not opposed to countering mis/disinformation.

That is not what they did and you should be opposed when the people in power get to decide what disinformation is. Example Hunters laptop, touted as disinformation by the government and media, now we know that was a lie. When we let the people in power decide what can and cannot be on social media we are no longer free.

 

[Fool]

That is not what they did and you should be opposed when the people in power get to decide what disinformation is. Example Hunters laptop, touted as disinformation by the government and media, now we know that was a lie. When we let the people in power decide what can and cannot be on social media we are no longer free.

you are seriously wasting your time with me. one thing isn't exclusive to another.


the government has suppressed freedoms for centuries by legislating all kinds of beliefs into government oversight.

desantis is the prime example of woke from the right

the right needs to learn it's place isn't left of the median

 

[wellwisher]

Yes, but the economy moves slowly. Biden is dealing with troubles that largely started under Trump.

You should take some basic economic courses.

The economy was booming under Trump, up to when Covid hit. We had the lowest unemployment rates for minorities and women, of all time. Gas was under $2/gallon where I live. I got a nice raise. With the economy strong and this being Trump's winning card, the Democrats needed to find a way to mess it up, before the up coming elections in the fall. This is how political parties play. This is not new and both sides do it.

The way this was done by the Swamp and Democrat party was to shut down the economy, in Left leaning states, using the COVID bogeyman as the excuse. In 20/20 hindsight, this path was never needed because of COVID, since the final death and sickness numbers were not much different in open or closed states. That choice was not due to good science. So, what was it all about? It was either being stupid or the goal was to mess up the economy, by removing half the states from working. That would do it.

The goal was to create economic bottlenecks, that still have an impact on the out millions who are out of the workforce, and the supply chain. I tend to believe that the Democrats did not expect to win, but wanted to mess things up of Trump, with the outside hope for a Hail Mary pass. They ended up winning, and inheriting their own mess.

I remember Trump, even with the Democrats messing up their states, for no science reason, was still able to have one of the fastest recoveries from the Left wing induced recession, of all times. But as the Twitter files show, censorship would play a role in the Democrat and swamp disinformation campaign, winning. Even COVID was lied about, since shutting down the economy was never needed but was justify with Swamp disinformation and censorship. What kind of boneheads lead lefty science?

The question I have is how many people on the Left believed in Trump and Russian Collusion scam? I am using this as a litmus test to determine your critical thinking skills. One had two years to solve the puzzle. If you fell for it all two years, you might still fall for anything being told by your same leaders? You may not have the capacity to tell the difference. I got it right in about two weeks. If it took you two years, you lack the right stuff to be objective. We can go back and research the results using site archives. I would suggest one uses the credibility criteria ,,before just assuming the latest mob circle is right or else.

 

[ImmortalFlame]

That is not what they did and you should be opposed when the people in power get to decide what disinformation is. Example Hunters laptop, touted as disinformation by the government and media, now we know that was a lie. When we let the people in power decide what can and cannot be on social media we are no longer free.

Citation needed.

From what I have seen so far, none of this amounted to anything other than the FBI asking Twitter to take down things that were either literally illegal or against Twitter's terms of service.

The fact that you're being very non-specific about the contents of Hunter's laptop is very telling, too. If there were anything on it - besides his nudes - that had any legal import, you'd say it rather than hiding behind vagueries.

It's all nothing.

Meanwhile, the ACTUAL Republican party engaged in an ACTUAL violent insurrection supported by the ACTUAL former President spreading ACTUAL lies with the ACTUAL support of many senior members of his party and ACTUALLY inciting ACTUAL violence because he ACTUALLY wanted to overturn democracy, ACTUALLY.

The totalitarians on one side clearly outweigh totalitarians on the other. Maybe we should be less concerned with Hunter's dong and more concerned with ACTUAL totalitarian threats, hm? Or do you not want to talk about them, for some reason?

 

[Fool]

The economy was booming under Trump, up to when Covid hit. We had the lowest unemployment rates for minorities and women, of all time. Gas was under $2/gallon where I live. I got a nice raise. With the economy strong and this being Trump's winning card, the Democrats needed to find a way to mess it up, before the up coming elections in the fall. This is how political parties play. This is not new and both sides do it.

The way this was done by the Swamp and Democrat party was to shut down the economy, in Left leaning states, using the COVID bogeyman as the excuse. In 20/20 hindsight, this path was never needed because of COVID, since the final death and sickness numbers were not much different in open or closed states. That choice was not due to good science. So, what was it all about? It was either being stupid or the goal was to mess up the economy, by removing half the states from working. That would do it.

The goal was to create economic bottlenecks, that still have an impact on the out millions who are out of the workforce, and the supply chain. I tend to believe that the Democrats did not expect to win, but wanted to mess things up of Trump, with the outside hope for a Hail Mary pass. They ended up winning, and inheriting their own mess.

I remember Trump, even with the Democrats messing up their states, for no science reason, was still able to have one of the fastest recoveries from the Left wing induced recession, of all times. But as the Twitter files show, censorship would play a role in the Democrat and swamp disinformation campaign, winning. Even COVID was lied about, since shutting down the economy was never needed but was justify with Swamp disinformation and censorship. What kind of boneheads lead lefty science?

The question I have is how many people on the Left believed in Trump and Russian Collusion scam? I am using this as a litmus test to determine your critical thinking skills. One had two years to solve the puzzle. If you fell for it all two years, you might still fall for anything being told by your same leaders? You may not have the capacity to tell the difference. I got it right in about two weeks. If it took you two years, you lack the right stuff to be objective. We can go back and research the results using site archives. I would suggest one uses the credibility criteria ,,before just assuming the latest mob circle is right or else.

you can't serve god and capitalism

 

[SkepticThinker]

Legally, the former execs were within their rights to censor content on the platform. It was quite facepalm-inducing to watch Marjorie Taylor Greene complain about being banned from a private social media platform when her party keep talking about the free market. That's the free market: a corporation can host the content it wishes to.

The US used to be the standard-bearer for democratic government. It used to be possibly the most respected power in the world. Now its Congress is full of hecklers and retaliatory bills, its Supreme Court has a theocratically minded majority, and its president is an ineffectual fool who might be too old to even stay alive for a second term but got elected because his opponent was even worse.

The country has become a shell of its former self, so much so that it can barely push back on Putin or even influence Saudi Arabia enough to give it cheap oil. It's pitiful to watch and even more pitiful to see people reveling in contributing to such a status quo.

Oh man, and Lauren Boebert crying about how she was banned over a "freaking" joke. Are these ladies not aware of the fact that they signed a user agreement when they signed up for Twitter?
That they aren't entitled to just go to someone's platform and spout whatever crap they want? It's embarrassing how ignorant they are. The whole hearing just smacks of a giant temper tantrum from entitled people who got their feelings hurt. What a joke.

 

[Fool]

The fact that you're being very non-specific about the contents of Hunter's laptop is very telling, too. If there were anything on it - besides his nudes - that had any legal import, you'd say it rather than hiding behind vagueries.

blatantly obvious isn't usually a clue when the witch hunters can't see themselves in their own projection