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Teacher accidentally fires gun in classroom, students injured

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Depends on their experience and what training they have gone through
If you are talking about a neophyte (never handled a firearm) I would say stating with about a day of classroom instruction in the basics, followed by a day of classroom instruction in safety, then followed by at least 200 rounds at a range in 1-2 days (depending on class size...shouldn't be more than 25 IMO), then a year or more of range time with a qualified instruction consisting of at least 2000 rounds. Then a competency test by oral, written, and live fire.

A person experienced with a firearm, IMO, a refresher in firearm safety, and a competency test by oral, written and live fire.
I'd stress scenario re-enactment.
Not only should safe gun handling be a reaction, but so should reaction to likely threats.
Virtual reality should play a major role.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Well let me put it this way. I wouldn't be running through the halls waving a firearm, that's a good way to get shot.
So, depending on the situation I would feel safe as long as I knew that the police were trained beyond the basics and that the staff were also.
There should be communication systems in place for cops & school staff
to alert each other to the situation. These days, everyone has cel phones,
& staff should have a designated contact such emergencies.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
Teacher accidentally fires gun in classroom, students injured



I have reservations for arming teachers and here is a case that is related. This teacher was negligent but was trained in firearms:



I just begs the never ending question: do we want teachers, who were hired to teach, to be armed with guns in a school? Thoughts?

When I first read the title by the news media, I go into "Something does't quite look right". How can a teacher fire a gun? With today's twisting of news, and the issue about "teachers with guns" -- I wondered if it was slightly adjusted so I researched it some:

Teacher, reserve officer, accidentally fires gun at Calif. school

First, I will agree that teaching about guns in a classroom isn't quite the correct setting BUT

It wasn't a simple "teacher" but rather a reserve officer.

So I ask:

  1. Why did the title of the news feed fail to mention that?
  2. Was there an motive because of personal preference by the news media?
This is really hurting the trustworthiness of the newsmeda.
 

sandy whitelinger

Veteran Member
When I first read the title by the news media, I go into "Something does't quite look right". How can a teacher fire a gun? With today's twisting of news, and the issue about "teachers with guns" -- I wondered if it was slightly adjusted so I researched it some:

Teacher, reserve officer, accidentally fires gun at Calif. school

First, I will agree that teaching about guns in a classroom isn't quite the correct setting BUT

It wasn't a simple "teacher" but rather a reserve officer.

So I ask:

  1. Why did the title of the news feed fail to mention that?
  2. Was there an motive because of personal preference by the news media?
This is really hurting the trustworthiness of the newsmeda.
Stop ruining a good story with facts. Sheesh!
 

Vinayaka

devotee
Premium Member
When I taught I kept a gun in my desk drawer at all times ... just behind the stapler. Those little _______ s wouldn't do their homework, and needed extra motivation. It worked well in Phys-Ed too. Kids actually ran during warm-up. One tree hugging parent came onto complain so I shot her. She never complained again.
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
There should be, for sure. I think @Revoltingest hits a very big potential problem which is adequate training. If guns become a part of a teachers carry, we need to be very selective on who gets that privilege on school property.

Training has nothing to do with it...Accidental shootings happen when teachers were walking
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
When I taught I kept a gun in my desk drawer at all times ... just behind the stapler. Those little _______ s wouldn't do their homework, and needed extra motivation. It worked well in Phys-Ed too. Kids actually ran during warm-up. One tree hugging parent came onto complain so I shot her. She never complained again.

Was this a poor attempt at a joke?
 

Epic Beard Man

Bearded Philosopher
Idaho professor accidentally shoots himself in the foot in chemistry class

An Idaho State University assistant professor with a concealed-carry gun permit shot himself in the foot with a semiautomatic handgun that accidentally discharged from inside his pocket in a chemistry classroom full of students, police said on Wednesday......


Idaho’s Republican-led legislature passed the law allowing guns on university grounds earlier this year over the objection of the presidents of the state’s leading universities, including Idaho State, which was routinely ranked as one of the safest campuses in the United States.

Idaho professor accidentally shoots himself in the foot in...
 

Kangaroo Feathers

Yea, it is written in the Book of Cyril...
This seems to be the theme we all seem to find agreement on. Based on your experience, if a teacher who had no previous training and wanted to participate, how long would it take? Assuming they can demonstrate basic competencies at a reasonable rate.

Edit: @David1967 feel free to chime in as well.
And who pays for the training and maintenence of competencies?
 

suncowiam

Well-Known Member
There's just something contradicting with teachers being peace enforcers at the same time.

I haven't found the right language to describe this but seeing this profession evolve to that similar to that of a police or military just doesn't seem right. Not to mention this is being done in an environment where toddlers, kids and teenagers frequent.

Has our culture changed so much, that schools are basically some urban war zone now?

Just to entertain this idea of arming the teachers falls right into the NRA's philosophies.

So instead of changing the environment, the environment forces the solution of adding more guns to the environment.

The problem is that people that shouldn't own guns are owning guns. That is the root issue. Fix that instead of potentially letting more people own guns that shouldn't own guns.
 

Kenny

Face to face with my Father
Premium Member
There's just something contradicting with teachers being peace enforcers at the same time.

I haven't found the right language to describe this but seeing this profession evolve to that similar to that of a police or military just doesn't seem right. Not to mention this is being done in an environment where toddlers, kids and teenagers frequent.

Has our culture changed so much, that schools are basically some urban war zone now?

Just to entertain this idea of arming the teachers falls right into the NRA's philosophies.

So instead of changing the environment, the environment forces the solution of adding more guns to the environment.

The problem is that people that shouldn't own guns are owning guns. That is the root issue. Fix that instead of potentially letting more people own guns that shouldn't own guns.

I think you hit the nail on the head. The culture has changed!

So schools are parenting instead of teaching and protecting instead of educating while parents stand by as baby sitters. It's the government that is gaining more and more control and becoming the parents... isn't that the beginnings of communism where they asked for you children for 6 years so that they could indoctrinate them?
 
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