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Terrified of becoming an atheist again

Spiderman

Veteran Member
Your friends on Earth want you to stay sober. How is that any different?

If you killed yourself you would bring misery to lots of people including myself. But if you lived trying to help others you could bring happiness to many others.
I appreciate that. I just wouldn't be able to stay sober without faith. A lot of Alcoholics and drug addicts feel that way. That is why higher power is so important in AA and NA.

I guess some people don't need that. I apologize for assuming that atheists would be happier with God.

Just because I'm so dependent on God doesn't mean I should be projecting that onto others and assume they feel empty without God.

I truly admire atheists who choose to be good because they want to be good and help others without any supernatural motive. For me, I need to experience transformation in prayer in order to be a good person. Don't ask me why, but it's true. I'm just not a good person. But God often changes my heart and helps me be good to people and do good deeds.
 

Windwalker

Veteran Member
Premium Member
If I don't believe there are spirits guiding me, I'm a dangerous person.
I am seriously worried for you. You should seek professional help before you hurt someone. Some loved one near you will be seriously hurt if you don't get help. Get help!
 

CogentPhilosopher

Philosophy Student
I appreciate that. I just wouldn't be able to stay sober without faith. A lot of Alcoholics and drug addicts feel that way. That is why higher power is so important in AA and NA.

I guess some people don't need that. I apologize for assuming that atheists would be happier with God.

Just because I'm so dependent on God doesn't mean I should be projecting that onto others and assume they feel empty without God.

I truly admire atheists who choose to be good because they want to be good and help others without any supernatural motive. For me, I need to experience transformation in prayer in order to be a good person. Don't ask me why, but it's true. I'm just not a good person. But God often changes my heart and helps me be good to people and do good deeds.

You can change. It's not easy becoming a good person but you can do it. I have hope for you.
 

lewisnotmiller

Grand Hat
Staff member
Premium Member
permanency of spirit means I'm held accountable for what I do with my life.

Also, if I believe that there is a God that wants me to stay sober, I'm more likely to stay sober.

I don't know how to answer your last question there. *Scratches head*

You are being held accountable, regardless of God. Unless you're going to tell me you felt at peace when behaving badly.
 

Pudding

Well-Known Member
a person who had no belief in God or spirits
Thanks for answer.

I would lose all reason to live. Also, I don't trust myself. Without God I would go back to drugs and alcohol and hurt people and just do more embarrassing behavior


Without faith in God that's just who I became



I was on drugs and he was pushing and antagonizing me


because without God I'm hopeless. I can't correct my problems or rely on myself to live a good life


I'm out of control crazy when I'm not completely devoted to God and my spirit guides


Going back to that lifestyle horrifies me

because I get out of control if I don't pray all the time and put God first in my life. I don't know why, I just do.

(snip)

because I'm not a good person. That's why I go to God, that He will heal me, enlighten me, and help me be a better person

because that's the type of person I am without God.
I'm sorry about that. If you don't want to become an atheist, then just don't become an atheist. You do not have any obligation to become an atheist. I heard that you do seeking help from professional people, i wish you be able to overcome your problem one day.

I don't. I used to and it drove me insane.
I'm sorry about that. I'm currently an atheist and i'm not a materialist.
 
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Darkstorn

This shows how unique i am.
When I'm an Atheist I act way WAY differently.

A statement like that would lead me to conclude that you have never truly been an atheist. Instead, you FEAR that you might have been one.

But i don't think you have ever been an atheist. It's just, you even think of the whole concept first from a theistic standpoint: That you have to actively TRY to be atheistic... I don't think that's how it works.

Either way, I'm just going to die and not be held accountable for my actions

I don't think that's how it works either.

You are being held accountable for your actions by your peers, and by cause and effect. That should be enough: To help your fellow humans just for the sake of it. Not so you could get a reward for it.
 
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Super Universe

Defender of God
As an atheist, I would kill myself. I have tried to be an atheist and it lead to me having nothing to live for but drugs and pleasure. It eventually lead to me stabbing a man and I found God in jail. If I knew there was no God, I would end this life and do society a favor.

I'm terrified of who I am without the creator. I am terrified to think of what will become of me if I become an atheist again.

I'm convinced that the voice inside me telling me to be good to others, think positively, renounce and reject the toxic thoughts, forgive others, be meek, humble, charitable, peaceful, and simple is God and spirit-guides directing me.

I'm too scared I'd hurt other people if I didn't believe in God and spirits.

Even as an atheist, wouldn't you agree that for certain people, having belief in God can be healthy? It can motivate them to do good works, be kind to others, forgive, avoid hurting others, and also give them the joy and peace to not hurt themselves

If I don't believe there are spirits guiding me, I'm a dangerous person.

I believe that all there is is the material world and that it essentially doesn't matter if I'm humble, peaceful, forgiving, and kind to people. Either way, I'm just going to die and not be held accountable for my actions and life becomes a selfish three ring circus **** show where I just live for the moment and pleasure and don't care about morals.

There was a very smart man who was raised by a good loving family. The family put the man through college. He got a degree in genetics. Then he got a grant to look for a certain gene. He thought he wanted to figure things out about people, make some sense of the way people are. Is it nature or nurture, your genes or your environment? Science has always wanted to know.

Well this smart man found a gene that 90% of all serial killers have. He called it the "selfish" gene because the people who had it did not have any empathy towards others. They are psychopaths and they make up about 2% of the human population.

One day this smart man was sitting at a picnic table eating bbq with his mother, father, siblings, and cousins. One of the cousins asked the man what he was working on now and he told him about the "selfish" gene. The cousin said "You should see if you have that gene." The smart man was insulted and asked "What do you mean by that?" All of the family members began bringing up things in the past, selfish things he had done. He once skipped a cousin's wedding because he wanted to go to a friends beer drinking bbq instead.

So the man sent in his DNA sample and it came back positive. He had the "selfish" gene. He was a psychopath. But, the thing is this, the smart man lived his life selfishly, having others love him and never really loving them in return, but he never killed anyone. His theory was that the serial killers had the gene and they had suffered some abuse as children. Having those two was a lethal concoction. The smart man had the gene but not the abuse. That was his theory, anyway.

You're not genes. You're not excuses. You decide who you are.

You just need to choose to be better than you were.
 

Sapiens

Polymathematician
You need an alternative perspective.

The Theist-Atheist axis is neither the same, nor perpendicular to the Hedonist-Ascetic axis.
 

Altfish

Veteran Member
Why do the government, any government in the world, do punish the criminals? Doesn't fear and love both play a useful part in human development of self?
Regards
ked why people stay together, Ms. Kinsey stated that it was due to a “fear of loneliness.” This fear of loneliness keeps couples together, even when it might be best for all parties to ultimately sepa
If you need the Government's threat of punishment to stop you murdering, raping, stealing, etc. then you are not a moral person. Empathy, co-operation, etc. are Darwinian traits that lead to better societies. The threat of a sky daddy is not needed.
 

Araceli Cianna

Active Member
I found salvation in transhumanism. An atheistic approach to future human advances, especially in health (well at least that is my interest). I don't believe in God and of course after that sinking feeling that there was nothing left to live for, I realised I could still have purpose by trying to bring heaven to earth, by making others happy, being a kind person, and advancing the human race and evolution through technology. It is a worthwhile goal. The spiritual isn't out there but it's in how we relate to others and make the world a better place through our own unique skills.
 

Saint Frankenstein

Here for the ride
Premium Member
I found salvation in transhumanism. An atheistic approach to future human advances, especially in health (well at least that is my interest). I don't believe in God and of course after that sinking feeling that there was nothing left to live for, I realised I could still have purpose by trying to bring heaven to earth, by making others happy, being a kind person, and advancing the human race and evolution through technology. It is a worthwhile goal. The spiritual isn't out there but it's in how we relate to others and make the world a better place through our own unique skills.
There are spiritual and religious approaches to transhumanism. Catholic and Orthodox eschatology fits quite well with it.
 

Kelly of the Phoenix

Well-Known Member
As an atheist, I would kill myself. I have tried to be an atheist and it lead to me having nothing to live for but drugs and pleasure. It eventually lead to me stabbing a man and I found God in jail. If I knew there was no God, I would end this life and do society a favor.
That seems a bit ... hardcore.

I'm terrified of who I am without the creator.
Technically, you are still you, regardless of (W)ho takes the credit for that.

It's like when many Christians balk at being primates: dude, Jesus loves you, yes? Well, you were a primate the entire time and God loves anyway.

I'm convinced that the voice inside me telling me to be good to others, think positively, renounce and reject the toxic thoughts, forgive others, be meek, humble, charitable, peaceful, and simple is God and spirit-guides directing me.
Okay.

If I don't believe there are spirits guiding me, I'm a dangerous person.
I mean this as a respectful question: are there voices telling you to ignore the other ones?

Let me tell you a tale I have told maybe one or two other people outside of my brother and mother:

I believe a spirit of some sort, who definitely was more elite than even archangels (maybe Powers?), took care of me as a child. As a child, "Susan" was a dear friend of mine who cheered me up and encouraged me despite an abusive childhood and LOTS of dreams where shadow demons were trying to kill me. One night, when I was 8, I vacuumed up the leader of one of the shadow demons. He stayed in this instinctive psychic prison for a decade. "Susan" got really ticked off, because she realized that, like the demons, anyone who stays in my head can't get out again. I'm a spiritual sarlaac pit, LOL. Even Satan won't spend too much time threatening me directly. The teen years meant I had to experience hormones AND a very ticked off Force of Nature who couldn't leave. My mind was splitting and shattering ... but so was she. We finally realized we were bonded. There was nothing we could do. In my early 30's I managed to expel her, but I was super depressed over the feeling that my soul was chopped in half and it didn't take. She was snapped back inside in just a couple of weeks. This year, after having watched the tv version of the Exorcist, we had an idea, and now she's been "traded" and is now free. Demons have tried attacking thinking I'm a weakling without her, but I don't exactly lack talent myself and they learned the hard way not to mess with me :) She even threatened my loved ones in heaven so that I'd have to learn that I have power without her. I was able to absorb all the damage she was doing and gain that power for myself.

I'm sure many religions would have plenty to say about this story. However, only YOU have this spiritual relationship with the spirits in question, so screw everyone else. If you still need those spirits to show you the way, then still accept their help. However, it IS possible to learn how to use your own gifts. :) <3

Also, I'm getting professional help and medications. Prayer works better.
Maybe someone more shamanistic might be able to help you? Even though I'm a nurse with a degree in psychology, I also value holistic concepts and concede that "cultural" traditions can work better, even if it's just because those traditions offer a comfortable language for that patient. Have you watched Legion? It's a fascinating show about the X-Men's founder Charles Xavier's son. They have also clearly watched Jim Henson's The Cube A LOT. You might find some inspiration about what you're going through. I find that using even blatant fiction can help provide a framework for your soul.

Why do you need to believe in punishment to not do bad things?
Some people need stronger, more visible boundaries than others.

Guess i'm just not a good person.
You're a good person with some impulse issues. Everyone has issues. Saints had a lot of them IIRC. :)

our friends on Earth want you to stay sober. How is that any different?
We're just as temporary?
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
It isn't just the fear of retribution but the belief that there are spirits that care about what I do with my time...but yes, atheists are the most moral people on earth if they are doing their actions to be good people without any fear of punishment or reward
May be they are doing it just for self aggrandizement. Is it? Please
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
@PopeADope

You should look into Mahayana Buddhism. It's all about being selfless, endless empathy and compassion, has spiritual beliefs including figures similar to deities and such, but lacks a lot of the shortcomings of Christianity as far as I can see. Mindfulness practices could be of great use to you, I think. I'm in DBT therapy and most of it is centered on mindfulness practices, which are influenced by Buddhism.

What Mahayana Buddhists Believe
Is that lacking in one's own religion "Olympianism (Greco-Roman polytheism)"? Please

Regards
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paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Err...Might not be an ideal conversation to have with you, but how does permanency of spirit lend meaning to life?

Is an 80 year olds life more meaningful than an 8 year olds?
Life is meaningful, that is why it is called consciousness, unconsciousness is dead or meaningless. Right? Please
Regards
 
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