Terror attacks in Paris.

[von bek]

If you're going to kill everyone who thinks differently to you, then this is fascism.

That is not what fascism is.

 

[SkepticThinker]

But they're not safe in these countries. They're in danger from disease, poverty, starvation, etc. All of the usual things that happen when a country's infrastructure collapses because another country turned it into a pile of rubble. They may not be in danger of dying from terrorism, but they're still in danger of dying from everything else.

That's why we should take in the refugees that are currently fleeing from these terrible places.

 

[Crypto2015]

That's why we should take in the refugees that are currently fleeing from these terrible places.

How can you be sure that you are not letting terrorists into your country? One (maybe two) of the Paris terrorists was a refugee. According to a Syrian ambassador, 20% of the refugees have links to ISIS.

 

[MARCELLO]

And the Bible calls for Fascism and Genocide in Revelation. Like I said, both have good and bad parts.

No it does not,none of the other religious books did it either.

 

[SkepticThinker]

How can you be sure that you are not letting terrorists into your country? One (maybe two) of the Paris terrorists was a refugee. According to a Syrian ambassador, 20% of the refugees have links to ISIS.

And some of them were French and Belgian citizens (or "homegrown terrorists'). In all the years since 9/11 the US has let in something like 725,000 refugees. Two of them have been linked to terrorism. We can't be sure of anything.

It seems to me it would be a lot easier for these people to bypass the lengthy screening processes and just enter the country as tourists, where they could move about without being tracked.

You're the one that pointed out that they aren't safe in their own countries and you also claimed that if France engages in war with ISIS it will create more terrorist attacks and/or children who will grow up hating the west. So what's your suggestion?

 

[metis]

How can you be sure that you are not letting terrorists into your country? One (maybe two) of the Paris terrorists was a refugee. According to a Syrian ambassador, 20% of the refugees have links to ISIS.

When Rubio's and Cruz's parents sought refuge from Marxist Cuba, was there any guarantee that they weren't terrorists or spies?

We can and should vet those coming in, which we do automatically with other immigrants.

 

[esmith]

We can and should vet those coming in, which we do automatically with other immigrants.

So, how is that going to work out when nothing is known about them. comment on below

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/syrian-refugees-u-s-applicants-explainer/

 

[metis]

So, how is that going to work out when nothing is known about them. comment on below

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/16/politics/syrian-refugees-u-s-applicants-explainer/

Before taking a high-dive into the pool, we need to check and make sure there's water in it.

Over the last two days I have listened to various people familiar with that process that say that we need not take just anyone in who hasn't or cannot be vetted. Unlike Europe that needs to react immediately, we don't, and like with the high-diver, if in doubt about taking in a particular person or family, then we don't "jump".

If we don't take what we have committed to taking in, this will be a fantastic propaganda tool for the likes of various radical-Islamic terrorist groups the world over that will depict us as being anti-Islamic, and even one of your heroes, G. W. Bush, warned that this could work against us. Also, we would really upset our European allies.

But it will make many of the Republicans happy as they stereotype Muslims and fear-monger the American public. If the American public hadn't taken a chance decades or centuries ago in taking in both your and my relatives in, then I guess we wouldn't be "Americans", se monsieur?

 

[Mycroft]

How can you be sure that you are not letting terrorists into your country? One (maybe two) of the Paris terrorists was a refugee. According to a Syrian ambassador, 20% of the refugees have links to ISIS.

You can't be. But that's no reason to turn everyone away.

 

[Crypto2015]

And some of them were French and Belgian citizens (or "homegrown terrorists'). In all the years since 9/11 the US has let in something like 725,000 refugees. Two of them have been linked to terrorism. We can't be sure of anything.

It seems to me it would be a lot easier for these people to bypass the lengthy screening processes and just enter the country as tourists, where they could move about without being tracked.

You're the one that pointed out that they aren't safe in their own countries and you also claimed that if France engages in war with ISIS it will create more terrorist attacks and/or children who will grow up hating the west. So what's your suggestion?

I didn't say anything of that. By the way, getting a tourist visa is very difficult. At least you have to show a passport. The refugees don't even need to do that.

 

[Crypto2015]

Before taking a high-dive into the pool, we need to check and make sure there's water in it.

Over the last two days I have listened to various people familiar with that process that say that we need not take just anyone in who hasn't or cannot be vetted. Unlike Europe that needs to react immediately, we don't, and like with the high-diver, if in doubt about taking in a particular person or family, then we don't "jump".

If we don't take what we have committed to taking in, this will be a fantastic propaganda tool for the likes of various radical-Islamic terrorist groups the world over that will depict us as being anti-Islamic, and even one of your heroes, G. W. Bush, warned that this could work against us. Also, we would really upset our European allies.

But it will make many of the Republicans happy as they stereotype Muslims and fear-monger the American public. If the American public hadn't taken a chance decades or centuries ago in taking in both your and my relatives in, then I guess we wouldn't be "Americans", se monsieur?

We don't need to stereotype Muslims. They are already doing it to themselves.

 

[Crypto2015]

When Rubio's and Cruz's parents sought refuge from Marxist Cuba, was there any guarantee that they weren't terrorists or spies?

We can and should vet those coming in, which we do automatically with other immigrants.

How can you vet them if they don't even have a passport? Are you joking? How many Cuban refugees have engaged in terrorism? Because just this week a Syrian "refugee" killed a few dozen people.

 

[Mycroft]

One way of looking at all of this is maybe god watches the world like a boxset and every so often there's a big end of season cliffhanger.

 

[SkepticThinker]

I didn't say anything of that. By the way, getting a tourist visa is very difficult. At least you have to show a passport. The refugees don't even need to do that.

I'm sorry it appears that Mycroft was the one who said those things. My apologies.

People wishing to enter the US to carry out terrorist attacks can hop on a plane with a fake passport. Why bother spending all that time following refugees around and going through lengthy vetting processes? The point is, if someone is determined enough, they will probably be able to get into the country through other avenues that aren't as difficult and drawn out.

Judging from past experience (after 9/11) the vast majority of refugees are not terrorists in disguise. And like I already pointed out, it appears that most of the terrorists in the recent Paris attack were European citizens. Should we be afraid of all Europeans as well?

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/18/syrian-refugee-vetting-process-is-tough-enough-commentary.html

http://time.com/4116619/syrian-refugees-screening-process/

 

[Crypto2015]

I'm sorry it appears that Mycroft was the one who said those things. My apologies.

People wishing to enter the US to carry out terrorist attacks can hop on a plane with a fake passport. Why bother spending all that time following refugees around and going through lengthy vetting processes? The point is, if someone is determined enough, they will probably be able to get into the country through other avenues that aren't as difficult and drawn out.

Judging from past experience (after 9/11) the vast majority of refugees are not terrorists in disguise. And like I already pointed out, it appears that most of the terrorists in the recent Paris attack were European citizens. Should we be afraid of all Europeans as well?

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/11/18/syrian-refugee-vetting-process-is-tough-enough-commentary.html

http://time.com/4116619/syrian-refugees-screening-process/

Fake passports are very easy to spot. Also, nowadays most passports have electronic chips that would be impossible to imitate. Consequently, getting a tourist visa to the USA or Europe is extremely difficult. On the contrary, arriving to Greece claiming to be a Syrian refugee is extremely easy, at least for a terrorist. If most refugees are not terrorists, then why almost 75% of the refugees are men between the ages of 20 and 50? If a country is at war, men between the ages of 20 and 50 should be the ones defending it. Have all these men left their mothers and sisters behind? Why are not the women fleeing these countries? Also, Syria may be at war, but Turkey is not. Most of these "refugees" come from Turkey, a country in which they are not being persecuted. So, why should they be considered refugees and not simply economic migrants?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Indonesia is not a perfect place, and maybe calling it peaceful was a stretch, the point is Muslims are not going around slaughtering non believers even though they consider them infidels

Are we supposed to be grateful then?

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Excellent Australian article on why France is getting all the attention Lebanon and other nations who experienced similar tragedies are not;

Western media are inevitably going to focus more on western atrocities. Why do apologists keep resorting to these straw-men and red herrings? Why do apologists always want to blame somebody else, the west, Israel, capitalism, anything but address the real problem here which is Islamic fundamentalism.

 

[MARCELLO]

Western media are inevitably going to focus more on western atrocities. Why do apologists keep resorting to these straw-men and red herrings? Why do apologists always want to blame somebody else, the west, Israel, capitalism, anything but address the real problem here which is Islamic fundamentalism.

There is no muslim country uninvaded from '' a more civilized country'' except Iran and Turkey ( turkish are really muslim? I don't think so ) They have got oil of which they can not fully take advantage. Islamic fundamentalism is a product of Britain and USA so they would not go for communism. It was ok to create Afghani fundamentalists against soviet Russia.
Now you pick up the fruits of what you sowed years ago.

By the way,there is so so little chance that you will be killed under a muslim terrorist attack in the west,see statistics, it is me the one in danger,having a typical christian name with light brown hair on my head above,living in a sheria ruled muslim country.

Do I care? Of course not.This is life.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Now you pick up the fruits of what you sowed years ago.

Sure, blame it all on somebody else, as usual. Anything but admit that Islamic fundamentalism is the problem, and has always been the problem. Militant monotheism has been a destructive force for 2000 years.

By the way, how many Syrian refugees has Saudi Arabia taken in?

 

[Sees]

There is no muslim country uninvaded from '' a more civilized country'' except Iran and Turkey ( turkish are really muslim? I don't think so ) They have got oil of which they can not fully take advantage. Islamic fundamentalism is a product of Britain and USA so they would not go for communism. It was ok to create Afghani fundamentalists against soviet Russia.
Now you pick up the fruits of what you sowed years ago.

By the way,there is so so little chance that you will be killed under a muslim terrorist attack in the west,see statistics, it is me the one in danger,having a typical christian name with light brown hair on my head above,living in a sheria ruled muslim country.

Do I care? Of course not.This is life.

All the sects/schools we have been fighting have been around for quite a while. Western intervention just helps rally and unite new generations of jihadis. It doesn't create the fundamentalism - that was already there in the 7th century.