Texas legislature is trying to violate the First Amendment:

[fantome profane]

I do not see a problem with ten timeless rules, posted on the wall, that can help people get along better; team affect.

What I see is a knee jerk reaction, by Atheists and Leftist because of a connection to anything religion, even without a common sense analysis of the content to be posted. It is not much different than hating any foreign car, without ever looking under the hood. This is not very rational coming from people who say they are rational.

Thou shall not steal. Why is that taboo to the Left? Is stealing good in your philosophy?
Honor thy Father and Mother. Does the Left prefer disrespectful brat children? Why are you offended by this?

This is different from being forced to learn pronouns to promote an expensive new medical fad. That was a fad, with no real value, other than being a test run for mind control over children, by shady leadership. Ten loose rules for good behavior can be helpful to all, except those who benefit by shady behavior.

I see what you did there. You cherry picked the 10 commandments.

Yes, some of the 10 are common to any legal code.
Others are arguably just good advice. (arguably)
But some of the 10 commandments are about straight out suppression of any other religion.

No, it is not ok to put up a monument to religious suppression. The United States Constitution actually protects you right to have any God, multiple Gods or no Gods. The Constitution protects your right to worship Baal if you want. It also protects your right to use the name of God any God darn way you want. And what you do with your Saturday is no business of the State (as long as it is legal).




And what is wrong with learning pronouns? I can't imagine a child going through school without learning about pronouns. That is just basic literacy. You know, those three Rs people are always talking about (even though only one of them is actually an R.)

 

[Estro Felino]

Yes, it does.

More importantly, it tells non-Christians that they should expect to be treated as second-class.

The State couldn't care less what god you believe in.

 

[Father Heathen]

It's Cancel Culture to pull down the statues in the South, because they are statues portraying the protagonists of the Confederation.
It's Cancel Culture to skip the slavery period and the American Civil War.

Should Germany have left nazi related statues standing?

For instance, in my country we study the two world wars and Fascism very, very thoroughly. And no fascist monument has ever been touched.
Tu study history is essential not to make the same mistakes.

History is preserved by schools, museums, books, internet, etc.
It's not going to magically disappear due to the removal of statues that weren't even contemporary and that commemorate things that should instead be seen as shameful.

 

[Father Heathen]

The State couldn't care less what god you believe in.

Tell that to the evangelicals and dominionists.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

The State couldn't care less what god you believe in.

States that don't care about the religion of their citizens don't put up religious symbols in courtrooms.

Imagine that you were a victim of crime and you - a non-Muslim - walk into court to testify against your attacker, a Muslim. The Shahadah is written on the wall behind the judge in large calligraphy.

Would you expect the trial to be fair?

 

[It Aint Necessarily So]

It's Cancel Culture to pull down the statues in the South, because they are statues portraying the protagonists of the Confederation.

I have no problem with what is called cancel culture. It's a public expression of extreme disapproval that can modify or negate inappropriate behavior. It's the American right that has a problem with being cancelled, and for obvious reasons. It defiantly spits in the face of the humanist values upon which the Constitution was based and the purpose for which the American government was created as defined in the Preamble. The right has contempt for compassion, tolerance, and equity, and expresses it with phrases like snowflake, social justice warrior political correctness, and now wokeness.

It's a fact that Texans are very nationalistic.

Nobody talks about secession more than Texans unless its Alaskans. Sarah Palin's husband was the face of that in the noughts. What could beless nationalistic or patriotic than that short of war against the other 49?

Even in Europe we know that they are very proud of being Texans.

You realize that Texas is not a nation, correct, but one piece of one much of which it is in conflict.

I do not see a problem with ten timeless rules, posted on the wall, that can help people get along better; team affect.

Those rules are worthless and send a bad message about what's important.

Thou shall not steal. Why is that taboo to the Left? Is stealing good in your philosophy?

That's already a rule. There are laws to enforce it without adding religions.

Honor thy Father and Mother. Does the Left prefer disrespectful brat children? Why are you offended by this?

An unbelievable inclusion of that short list. For starters, honor has no definite meaning. You seem to think it means for minor children to obey their parents, but I don't see where the commandment expires with attaining adulthood, or why one should obey parents then.

And who's reading and obeying that rule? Do you imagine that the Ten Commandments have more authority with the child than the parents?

I guess that's why there was no room for commandments like be kind, protect the weak, become trained or educated, be courageous, etc. - things that actually matter unlike false gods, idols, the sabbath, and honoring parents. Humanist values are more appropriate for a public school.

 

[Father Heathen]

That doesn't add up. They erected those statues to remind people of the Confederate States period.
So the American Civil War is something they wouldn't skip.

School shootings are a dark yet important part of our history, but would it make sense to erect statues that commemorate the shooters? They weren't heroes, and nether were the confederates.

Remembering something and celebrating something are two different things, obviously.

 

[Father Heathen]

Because they were Christians themselves.
They were not atheists.

Regardless, religious tyranny is religious tyranny, so what's your point?
The founders of this country sought to avoid it, not impose it.

 

[Father Heathen]

I do not see a problem with ten timeless rules, posted on the wall, that can help people get along better; team affect.

What I see is a knee jerk reaction, by Atheists and Leftist because of a connection to anything religion, even without a common sense analysis of the content to be posted. It is not much different than hating any foreign car, without ever looking under the hood. This is not very rational coming from people who say they are rational.

Thou shall not steal. Why is that taboo to the Left? Is stealing good in your philosophy?
Honor thy Father and Mother. Does the Left prefer disrespectful brat children? Why are you offended by this?

This is different from being forced to learn pronouns to promote an expensive new medical fad. That was a fad, with no real value, other than being a test run for mind control over children, by shady leadership. Ten loose rules for good behavior can be helpful to all, except those who benefit by shady behavior.

The redeeming qualities aren't exclusive to it, and needn't be presented in a way that's attached to toxic baggage.

That said, if some Buddhist text were displayed, people like you would flip out regardless of how wholesome the message was.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Should Germany have left nazi related statues standing?

History is preserved by schools, museums, books, internet, etc.
It's not going to magically disappear due to the removal of statues that weren't even contemporary and that commemorate things that should instead be seen as shameful.

I used to buy into some of the propaganda on Civil War statues. And then I learned when and why they were put up. They were not erected soon after the war where a people will morning the passing of some of their leaders. They were erected generations later when black people were first advocating for civil rights.

 

[Alien826]

And I put it to you that a similarly brief list of principles for ethical thinking would be a much, much better guide posted on school walls. How about these (and there are only 5):

Oh, I'm not defending the 10 commandments in general.

By the way Australian comedian Jim Jefferies boiled it all down to one sentence, that he said was the advice he gave to his son.

"Don't be a ****". (I can't use the word here, look him up).

 

[Father Heathen]

Jesus Christ's historical existence doesn't imply theism, that is the belief in a God.
It's a cultural symbol, above all.
After all, nobody can demonstrate God does exist.

That means nothing to those who wish to tear down the wall between church and state so that they can turn their religion into other's laws.

 

[Revoltingest]

I do not see a problem with ten timeless rules, posted on the wall, that can help people get along better; team affect.

They aren't timeless, being only a couple millennia old.
While some are useful, & no doubt precede Christianity,
others are specific to Christianity, & a couple are evil.
And they omit other useful laws & advice, eg, tolerance,
thoughtfulness, learning, self sufficiency, paying the
rent on time.

 

[fantome profane]

The State couldn't care less what god you believe in.

Then the State has no business putting up a monument that says ”Thou shalt have no other Gods”.

 

[Estro Felino]

That means nothing to those who wish to tear down the wall between church and state so that they can turn their religion into other's laws.

I am remarking that the name God is omnipresent in American public sector.
In God we trust, so help me God...

From a juridical point of view, we don't mention God in the public sector, also because no jurist can demonstrate His existence and neither can I.
What does that mean?
That people often confuse personal belief with culture.

 

[Evangelicalhumanist]

Jump'n Jeebus....where else would I have a homo heathen
hockey hoser hooptie spout'n Bible verses at me.

Hey, I may not do everything according to your playbook, but I can still read, and think. There's a good chance I've read more of the Bible, more completely, than many Christians hereabouts.

 

[Revoltingest]

There's a good chance I've read more of the Bible, more completely, than many Christians hereabouts.

Better you than me.

 

[Father Heathen]

I am remarking that the name God is omnipresent in American public sector.
In God we trust, so help me God...

From a juridical point of view, we don't mention God in the public sector, also because no jurist can demonstrate His existence and neither can I.
What does that mean?
That people often confuse personal belief with culture.

In God We Trust - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Largely a byproduct of the red scare.

 

[Revoltingest]

In God We Trust - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Our original mottoes....
"Mind your business"
"We are one"
They're on the Fugio Cent coin.

 

[Father Heathen]

Our original mottoes....
"Mind your business"
"We are one"
They're on the Fugio Cent coin.

Italy's is kinda odd: