The reason for it is well documented. It’s just not practical anymore. Every other election is popular vote. The president represents all citizens, not 50 states.
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Texas Republican Amendment Would Prevent Democrats from Winning ANY State Offices
- Thread starter Wandering Monk
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Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
Something to consider here when comparing to the Electoral College: the number of electors a state has is based on the number of Representatives and Senators. Numbers of representatives is based on population. So Electors are indirectly based on state populations.
This is different than the proposed Amendment in Texas which is based solely on the number of counties.
This is different than the proposed Amendment in Texas which is based solely on the number of counties.
The smallest county in Texas has a population of 43 people. There are apartment buildings in Houston with many times larger populations.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
At any rate, wouldn't the population of the entire state get to vote on a State amendment? I can't see a situation where the population would go for this.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
So then it should be very easy for the democrats to go there and convince only 43 people to vote for them shouldn’t it?
What? No. Do you understand how campaigns and elections work? It seems like you don't.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
Please explain the great mystery of campaigning then.
wellwisher
Well-Known Member
People in the USA are leaving the over bearing and over taxed Liberal nanny States like California and New York to going to the free and prosperous States like Texas. The problem is this migration direction is like a Liberal disease that invades a healthy conservative host, and tries to shape the host into the image of the decline that they had left. This is fine in the short term, but there is a tipping point that can make Texas another California; food to crap.Candidates who win the most COUNTIES would be declared winner. Elections by popular vote would be gone.
Demographically the vast majority of Texas counties are Red, though they represent a minority of the population.
A desperation move by a party that knows they are on the losing side of political trends. Anti-democracy.
Texas GOP amendment would stop Democrats winning any state election
A Texas Republican proposal would require anyone holding statewide office to have the support of a majority of Texas counties.www.newsweek.com
The people of Texas can accept pockets of cancer, but it does not wish the cancer to spread to all the healthier part of the body, via DNC operatives and out of state money, forcing more cancer into the system. Texas is also trying to enforce its border with Mexico, while the DNC fights any border enforcement, since illegal immigrants tends to be more vulnerable to the DNC operatives, and Texans expects voter cheating. The popular vote is no longer reliable. They needed an electoral college type fail safe to prevent another DNC Banana Republic that everyone what's to leave.
Wandering Monk
Well-Known Member
So you are OK with 1.5% of the population of Texas controlling the state government and judgeships there.
ImmortalFlame
Woke gremlin
Flawless logic.
"Republicans fail to win the popular vote, therefore elections should be determined by a minority vote. It's Democrat's fault for failing to convince that particular group.
What's that? Republicans are failing to convince THE MAJORITY OF PEOPLE TO VOTE FOR THEM? Well, whatever. That's not their problem. All that matters is that the minority who vote for them should have more voting power."
This is just anti-democracy.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Did you ever hear of a guy named "Jesus of Nazareth"? He definitely believed that we need to take care of one another, and that money is not sacred and more important than people.
Tinkerpeach
Active Member
It’s how we choose our president so go argue with the founders.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
Never forget how the Democrats entrench themselves into the People's Republic of New York and the People's Republic of California.
There is just hardly a Republican in sight and none of them have any power or say whatsoever in those States.
Democrats are dangerous , they unquestionably lead with the most oppressive and least free states in the entire nation , and Texas is wise to implement something of that nature to prevent it from happening to them.
Have you read the US Constitution?
US Constitution Article I, Sections 1 & 2:
Article I
Section 1
All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.
Section 2
The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States, and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.
Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons. The actual Enumeration shall be made within three Years after the first Meeting of the Congress of the United States, and within every subsequent Term of ten Years, in such Manner as they shall by Law direct. The Number of Representatives shall not exceed one for every thirty Thousand, but each State shall have at Least one Representative; and until such enumeration shall be made, the State of New Hampshire shall be entitled to chuse three, Massachusetts eight, Rhode Island and Providence Plantations one, Connecticut five, New-York six, New Jersey four, Pennsylvania eight, Delaware one, Maryland six, Virginia ten, North Carolina five, South Carolina five, and Georgia three.
When vacancies happen in the Representation from any State, the Executive Authority thereof shall issue Writs of Election to fill such Vacancies.
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
The numbers of Representatives for the House of Representative ARE BASED ON POPULATION, with a minimum of one per State.
The Senate has two Senators per State. This strikes a balance between the representation of the interests of the people and the representation of the interests of the States.
This scheme cooked up by the Texas GOP is totally taking the interests of the people (population) out of the equation and only going with the interests of the counties. By no means is it following what was written by our Founding Fathers--it is abandoning and spitting on the principles outlined by our Founding Fathers.
Here is Article II, Section 1 showing how each State's number of Electors is equal to that State's number of House Representatives plus their Senators:
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.
The Texas scheme is leaving out the votes based on population, which is not surprising.
Article II
Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years, and, together with the Vice President, chosen for the same Term, be elected, as follows
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The Electors shall meet in their respective States, and vote by Ballot for two Persons, of whom one at least shall not be an Inhabitant of the same State with themselves. And they shall make a List of all the Persons voted for, and of the Number of Votes for each; which List they shall sign and certify, and transmit sealed to the Seat of the Government of the United States, directed to the President of the Senate. The President of the Senate shall, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted. The Person having the greatest Number of Votes shall be the President, if such Number be a Majority of the whole Number of Electors appointed; and if there be more than one who have such Majority, and have an equal Number of Votes, then the House of Representatives shall immediately chuse by Ballot one of them for President; and if no Person have a Majority, then from the five highest on the List the said House shall in like Manner chuse the President. But in chusing the President, the Votes shall be taken by States, the Representation from each State having one Vote; A quorum for this Purpose shall consist of a Member or Members from two thirds of the States, and a Majority of all the States shall be necessary to a Choice. In every Case, after the Choice of the President, the Person having the greatest Number of Votes of the Electors shall be the Vice President. But if there should remain two or more who have equal Votes, the Senate shall chuse from them by Ballot the Vice President.
The Texas scheme is leaving out the votes based on population, which is not surprising.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Your last sentence is a tad ironic, given the current state of reproductive health care for women in Texas.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
And according to the news last week or so, some of them are leaving to go live elsewhere. Maybe if enough leave, instead of being the Lone Star State they'll become the Lone Person State.
Twilight Hue
Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
I'd be giddy to see the people's republic States continuing their exodus out of Democrat party dictatorships.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Why does the word "delusional" come to mind?