That Wacky.....no....Demented United Arab Emirates

[LuisDantas]

The drunk lady was in her boss room to play playstation,i guess.

Even taking for granted that she was not pressured or even forced outright to go there in the first place, that is still hardly any excuse to allow him to rape her.

There is a huge difference between consensual sex and rape.

 

[FearGod]

Even taking for granted that she was not pressured or even forced outright to go there in the first place, that is still hardly any excuse to allow him to rape her.

There is a huge difference between consensual sex and rape.

Both were drunk.

You cannot distinguish between a drunken man and a mad man until they have slept.

 

[Kerr]

The drunk lady was in her boss room to play playstation,i guess.

It doesnt matter why she was in the room. Or if she or the boss where drunk, for that matter.

 

[Kerr]

Both were drunk.

You cannot distinguish between a drunken man and a mad man until they have slept.

Mad as in angry or mad as in crazy?

 

[Bismillah]

Even taking for granted that she was not pressured or even forced outright to go there in the first place, that is still hardly any excuse to allow him to rape her.

Hi Luis, what is your reasoning to conclude that the man raped her? Are we judging men as guilty until proved otherwise?

 

[ignition]

It doesnt matter why she was in the room. Or if she or the boss where drunk, for that matter.

It does matter if she was drunk. If she was drunk then how reliable is her testimony? How can you take the word of a drunken person as to whether or not they gave consent?

 

[Kerr]

It does matter if she was drunk. If she was drunk then how reliable is her testimony? How can you take the word of a drunken person as to whether or not they gave consent?

I was trying to say that it doesnt matter if she was drunk because she could still be raped. I didnt say it cannot cause issues with proving it.

 

[ignition]

I was trying to say that it doesnt matter if she was drunk because she could still be raped. I didnt say it cannot cause issues with proving it.

Alright.

 

[FearGod]

Mad as in angry or mad as in crazy?

As in crazy of course.

 

[Shermana]

I have had to rescue/pick-up female friends from actual attempts at date-rape. But something's not making sense here.

The facts of the story are as follows:

Woman Jailed Over Dubai Rape Claim Pardoned

On the last day of the business trip she joined them for drinks, and later asked one of her male colleagues to escort her up to her hotel room.

Okay, she knows this guy. It wasn't some random person. She invites him after (possibly heavy) drinking to her hotel room. I'm assuming not to play drunken scrabble and watch a Disney movie. Or did this simply mean to "escort her to her hotel room to protect her and help her not stumble over her drunken self". The sentence is not clear.

Speaking to Reuters she described what she alleges happened next.

"(He was) trying to convince me to come in to his room and again I said 'no' and that's when he start pulling my bag trying to drag me to his room," she said.

"So I just thought I need to calm the situation down, so I walked in with him and I sat down and wanted to drink my bottle of water; I thought I would finish this water and find my room by myself. That's the last thing I remember.

"And the following morning I woke up on my stomach, my clothes were off and I was being raped."

"Pulling my bag".

So I just thought I need to calm the situation down, so I walked in with him and I sat down and wanted to drink my bottle of water; I thought I would finish this water and find my room by myself. That's the last thing I remember.

Calm the situation down by going to his room with him? Huh? How would that calm the situation down? I'm not following. Something's missing. Explain to me how she'd calm down his hyper-libido by going into his room while drunk.

Ok, so then, either he rufie-d her water, or she passed out drunk and blacked out (in which case, I'd imagine she may not be remembering everything that happened).

Which one is it? Rufies, or so roaringly drunk that she passed out after walking into his room and then decided to call rape to conceal a sense of shame?

"I am very surprised. We have a DNA report, we have a medical report and we have a witness," she said.

"It is also being clarified and it has been proved that he has been lying the whole time in court in front of the judge and still they did not believe me, that was very shocking."

How has it been proven he's been lying? Did I miss something in the news? How did the DNA reports prove she was raped and not gave drunken consent? Where was this witness? What did the witness say? Can I get to a link to this?

I'm not trying to defend rape if it actually was the case, I just want some clarification here on what appears to be a hole-filled story. Maybe I missed a link that proves exactly what happened.

 

[Shermana]

I was trying to say that it doesnt matter if she was drunk because she could still be raped. I didnt say it cannot cause issues with proving it.

Blacking out from over-drinking is a real phenomenon. I've gotten in fights, gotten extra bold with ladies, and puked on people and didn't remember it the next day. Nonetheless, tensions still were high with who I fought even after I explained that I couldn't remember whatsoever what happened. The story seems like this was what happened assuming he didn't rufie her water somehow. Likewise, I know girls that got way too...."flirtacious", and then didn't remember it at all the next day.

Does being blacked out mean a lack of consent?

 

[LuisDantas]

Both were drunk.

You cannot distinguish between a drunken man and a mad man until they have slept.

If you are saying that she only thinks she was raped - or worse, that she couldn't possibly tell the difference between drunken sex and rape - then I fear we will have to disagree.

 

[LuisDantas]

Hi Luis, what is your reasoning to conclude that the man raped her? Are we judging men as guilty until proved otherwise?

No, I am saying that I will take her testimony over assumptions of drunkness.

 

[Shermana]

No, I am saying that I will take her testimony over assumptions of drunkness.

What's your explanation of how the last thing she remembers is drinking her bottle of water? Do you think the guy slipped in a rufie while she wasn't looking?

Do you believe all rape testimonies are valid unless somehow directly proven to be false?

 

[FearGod]

I have had to rescue/pick-up female friends from actual attempts at date-rape. But something's not making sense here.

The facts of the story are as follows:

Woman Jailed Over Dubai Rape Claim Pardoned



Okay, she knows this guy. It wasn't some random person. She invites him after (possibly heavy) drinking to her hotel room. I'm assuming not to play drunken scrabble and watch a Disney movie. Or did this simply mean to "escort her to her hotel room to protect her and help her not stumble over her drunken self". The sentence is not clear.



"Pulling my bag".



Calm the situation down by going to his room with him? Huh? How would that calm the situation down? I'm not following. Something's missing. Explain to me how she'd calm down his hyper-libido by going into his room while drunk.

Ok, so then, either he rufie-d her water, or she passed out drunk and blacked out (in which case, I'd imagine she may not be remembering everything that happened).

Which one is it? Rufies, or so roaringly drunk that she passed out after walking into his room and then decided to call rape to conceal a sense of shame?



How has it been proven he's been lying? Did I miss something in the news? How did the DNA reports prove she was raped and not gave drunken consent? Where was this witness? What did the witness say? Can I get to a link to this?

I'm not trying to defend rape if it actually was the case, I just want some clarification here on what appears to be a hole-filled story. Maybe I missed a link that proves exactly what happened.

Good points Shermana,you're a good investigator.

 

[Bismillah]

No, I am saying that I will take her testimony over assumptions of drunkness.

Hi Luis, I think Shermana has shown the flaw in your thinking

"Do you believe all rape testimonies are valid unless somehow directly proven to be false?"

You are assuming that the man raped her without evidence, considering that she originally reported it as consensual sex, later changed it to rape thus creating a false report in the first place, and the fact that rape is normally a very hard crime to prove conclusively (at least in the States) it is premature to say that yes indeed there was a rape.

I highly doubt this case would get a conviction in the United States either.

 

[Shermana]

Here's what I also want to know:

She claims she was advised by her manager to tell the police the sex was consensual and the entire matter would be dropped. She did so, but was instead given a third charge: with making a false statement.

Why was she advised to tell the police it was consentual?

 

[Bismillah]

Speaking to Gulf News, she says she was encouraged by her former boss early on after the incident to tell authorities that the sex was consensual, and not rape. He allegedly told her it would lead to a quicker resolution of the case and that it wouldn’t go to court.

"Speaking to Gulf News, she says she was encouraged by her former boss early on after the incident to tell authorities that the sex was consensual, and not rape. He allegedly told her it would lead to a quicker resolution of the case and that it wouldn’t go to court."

This is her explanation for reporting it as consensual and then later changing her statement.

 

[LuisDantas]

What's your explanation of how the last thing she remembers is drinking her bottle of water? Do you think the guy slipped in a rufie while she wasn't looking?

I don't know. I don't have access to the data.

Do you believe all rape testimonies are valid unless somehow directly proven to be false?

That is not too far from my stance, indeed. Depends a bit on what you consider "direct" proof.

 

[LuisDantas]

You are assuming that the man raped her without evidence, considering that she originally reported it as consensual sex, later changed it to rape thus creating a false report in the first place, and the fact that rape is normally a very hard crime to prove conclusively (at least in the States) it is premature to say that yes indeed there was a rape.

I highly doubt this case would get a conviction in the United States either.

Maybe that is so. But I take rape claims seriously, as is only fair.