The Absolute Oneness of God

[Ben Avraham]

I am not that arrogant to tell you how it all happened, no one can, not even you.

I can! That's not the problem. The problem is that you do not understand what I say.

 

[psychoslice]

How can you discuss Biblical matter if you don't need a Bible? Do you expect people to take your word for it? It doesn't go that way!

No I don't and I don't care, its my truth, and mine only, its not second-hand from some old writings from the superstitious past, yes you can have that, its not for me, but thanks.

 

[psychoslice]

I can! That's not the problem. The problem is that you do not understand what I say.

Do you truly understand what your saying, or are you just repeating what you have been told ?.

 

[Ben Avraham]

Do you truly understand what your saying, or are you just repeating what you have been told ?.

Again, if you have never read the "Essay about the Jews" by Mark Twain, let me know and I'll post it here for your eyes only. When you read it, you will never say again that a Jew does not understand what he says. And if you still do to feed a grudge, deep inside, you won't believe what you said.

 

[Ben Avraham]

No I don't and I don't care, its my truth, and mine only, its not second-hand from some old writings from the superstitious past, yes you can have that, its not for me, but thanks.

Is "your" truth something you could share with another? If it is, I am all ears and happy to add to my archive of knowledge.

 

[Repox]

Absolutely not! God is not a duality but of an absolute Oneness and the reasons why are in the thread which it seems to me, you did not read it. Angels are emanations that become communicable only during the dream and visions of the Prophets. Every thing you have said above in the first paragraph is possible only in the Olympian realm of Greek Mythology. Duality can be everywhere in the nature of man or of the world but not in the Primal Cause aka HaShem. You cannot change the nature of God to satisfy your Christian preconceived notions. If there was no son of God, we would have to burn the Tanach that says "Israel is My Son", said the Lord. (Exodus 4:22,23) If you read Mark 12:29, in an answer to a Scribe who asked Jesus about the greatest of the commandments, he answer with the "Shema" in Deuteronomy 6:4 that HaShem is absolutely One and the Only Lord. You are trying to contradict Jesus himself.

I don't have Christian preconceived notions. Christians don't believe Jesus is a duality, they believe in the Trinity. Yes, I am contradicting the son of God idea. Jesus was God. It is not my fault so many religions have got it wrong. God is a duality.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I don't have Christian preconceived notions. Christians don't believe Jesus is a duality, they believe in the Trinity. Yes, I am contradicting the son of God idea. Jesus was God. It is not my fault so many religions have got it wrong. God is a duality.

Jesus was a Jew. To refer to Jesus as God is to make of him a Greek demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman, if you read Mat. 1:18.

 

[Repox]

Jesus was a Jew. To refer to Jesus as God is to make of him a Greek demigod which is the son of a god with an earthly woman, if you read Mat. 1:18.

I already mentioned, I don't accept the NT gospels, they got it wrong. There is no son of God. Jesus was God. If you research the NT gospels you find a lot of errors. You do the research by comparing prior gospels to the four gospels. In prior gospels, you don't find references to the son of God. You can do what you want with my definition of God. Regardless, God is a duality. It makes little difference anyway, there is no salvation. If there was salvation, humans would be busy in heaven telling God what to do. Just about everyone has a special sermon for God. Wow, if he only got it right everything would be wonderful.

 

[psychoslice]

Again, if you have never read the "Essay about the Jews" by Mark Twain, let me know and I'll post it here for your eyes only. When you read it, you will never say again that a Jew does not understand what he says. And if you still do to feed a grudge, deep inside, you won't believe what you said.

I have no grudge, I don't no where you got that from, I am not really interested in what Jews believe, its just another belief system which I have non.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I have no grudge, I don't no where you got that from, I am not really interested in what Jews believe, its just another belief system which I have non.

That's okay! I am not suggesting that you join us but, why don't you speak to me about your peculiar truth that you said you have? "I have my own truth" you said.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I already mentioned, I don't accept the NT gospels, they got it wrong. There is no son of God. Jesus was God. If you research the NT gospels you find a lot of errors. You do the research by comparing prior gospels to the four gospels. In prior gospels, you don't find references to the son of God. You can do what you want with my definition of God. Regardless, God is a duality. It makes little difference anyway, there is no salvation. If there was salvation, humans would be busy in heaven telling God what to do. Just about everyone has a special sermon for God. Wow, if he only got it right everything would be wonderful.

Jesus was not God. Jesus was a Jew. And he was not out of his mind to declare that he was God. This idea was interpolated into the NT by the Hellenists who wrote the gospels. God is no duality but of an absolute Oneness. I'll have to keep telling you this until you stop distorting the nature of HaShem with your assumptions. And the only salvation that there is, it comes from listening to Moses, aka the Law if you read Luke 16:29-31. Okay, you don't believe the gospels. I got that! Believe in the salvation that comes as a result of obeying the Law. Because, I can prove to you that you don't have to be a man of faith to enjoy the salvation from the consequences of transgressing the Law.

 

[psychoslice]

That's okay! I am not suggesting that you join us but, why don't you speak to me about your peculiar truth that you said you have? "I have my own truth" you said.

I cannot tell you about my truth, but I can point you to it, its up to you to decide, I don't want to change anyone. My so called truth is what I experienced, I was always searching for the truth, I was a Christian for many years and it wasn't there, I studied other religions that I thought had some good within it such as Buddhism, but still for me it wasn't there.

Around this time when searching I was going through deep clinical depression, caused by my schizophrenia, all I did was sleep rolled up in a fetal position. One night when I felt suicidal I just gave in and fell onto my bed, I then went though a weird feeling, I felt like I was spreading throughout the universe like a big rubber band, I felt like i was one with all there is. I then fully realized that I was one with everything, and everyone, it was the most beautiful experience I ever had.

When I came to, I couldn't stop laughing, I felt like for the first time, I got the joke, and the joke was on me. I realized that all the searching was all for nothing, that the search was only taking me away from the truth, for all that i was, and all that I needed to know was right within me, it wasn't in any religion, it wasn't in any scriptures, it wasn't anywhere outside, it was within me, what a place to hide it lol.

 

[Repox]

Jesus was not God. Jesus was a Jew. And he was not out of his mind to declare that he was God. This idea was interpolated into the NT by the Hellenists who wrote the gospels. God is no duality but of an absolute Oneness. I'll have to keep telling you this until you stop distorting the nature of HaShem with your assumptions. And the only salvation that there is, it comes from listening to Moses, aka the Law if you read Luke 16:29-31. Okay, you don't believe the gospels. I got that! Believe in the salvation that comes as a result of obeying the Law. Because, I can prove to you that you don't have to be a man of faith to enjoy the salvation from the consequences of transgressing the Law.

In order to prove anything related to this topic you would have to have undisputable evidence. In our area of the supernatural, there is no empirical evidence, only faith. Yes, I know Jesus was a Jew, and I also know what he said from prior to the NT gospels. In particular, The Gospel of Thomas concerning "Jesus sayings" is an excellent reference. In that gospel, Jesus mentions the "Kingdom of Heaven" with authority. Who else but God would have such an understanding of heaven?

 

[Ben Avraham]

I closed my eyes while resting. For few seconds, I saw a vision of two small white colored spheres resembling pearls touching each other. I observed the objects to be the same size and color. My interpretation is the two spheres were symbols of God's duality. Both Gods are equal and stay permanently attached. It relates to a dream I had about the two Gods inside a sphere surrounded by angels. Before they created their first angel, the two Gods were perfect companions. Then, they created angels to participate in eternity with them. Since then, all angels, except Satan, have been obedient servants of the two Gods, loving and adoring them for all of eternity.

In short, my evidence are my experiences, they are irrefutable. I don't expect you to believe it because it is not scriptural. So, it is best to discontinue our discussion. Knowing what I know about God, I am puzzled about why God didn't reveal his duality to His chosen people. For several years of dreams and

In order to prove anything related to this topic you would have to have undisputable evidence. In our area of the supernatural, there is no empirical evidence, only faith. Yes, I know Jesus was a Jew, and I also know what he said from prior to the NT gospels. In particular, The Gospel of Thomas concerning "Jesus sayings" is an excellent reference. In that gospel, Jesus mentions the "Kingdom of Heaven" with authority. Who else but God would have such an understanding of heaven?

I will continue to believe God is a duality because of special dreams and visions about it. I understand I cannot compete with scripture, but neither can I deny my supernatural experiences. I had a vision about God's duality that was extremely clear, I can't deny it happened, and I can't deny it was supernatural. First I will relate my vision, then my supernatural dream.
a few visions, I have acquired a unique understanding of God and His purpose. I appreciate our short discussion. I know, however, from discussions with clergy, no one will ever believe what I know.

Okay, you want an indisputable evidence that there is salvation if you obey the Law. Be my guest then!. Assuming that you were sleeping and in your dream, you went into a certain house and killed someone and you were caught. You got arrested, taken to Court and condemned either to death or to be in jail for the rest of your life. You woke up and found out that it was a terrible dream. You went back to sleep and, in the morning, when you woke up you were extremely happy that you did not have to go through the consequences of the dream. That's an indisputable evidence of salvation from the consequences of transgressing the Law aka if you obey it.

 

[Ben Avraham]

I cannot tell you about my truth, but I can point you to it, its up to you to decide, I don't want to change anyone. My so called truth is what I experienced, I was always searching for the truth, I was a Christian for many years and it wasn't there, I studied other religions that I thought had some good within it such as Buddhism, but still for me it wasn't there.

Around this time when searching I was going through deep clinical depression, caused by my schizophrenia, all I did was sleep rolled up in a fetal position. One night when I felt suicidal I just gave in and fell onto my bed, I then went though a weird feeling, I felt like I was spreading throughout the universe like a big rubber band, I felt like i was one with all there is. I then fully realized that I was one with everything, and everyone, it was the most beautiful experience I ever had.

When I came to, I couldn't stop laughing, I felt like for the first time, I got the joke, and the joke was on me. I realized that all the searching was all for nothing, that the search was only taking me away from the truth, for all that i was, and all that I needed to know was right within me, it wasn't in any religion, it wasn't in any scriptures, it wasn't anywhere outside, it was within me, what a place to hide it lol.

Well, as I read about your dream, I thought about what Jesus said when speaking about the Kingdom of God which was to be found within ourselves or among us. (Luke 17:21) Now, I understand you that we don't have to have a religion to see the truth within ourselves. Very good! It is called self-enlightening.

 

[Windwalker]

God is no duality but of an absolute Oneness.

But I have pointed out that when you make creation outside of God, you have made God a duality: Subject/object. If God is absolute Oneness, creation cannot be outside God. Even if perceptually it appears to us to be a duality, in Reality it is not. So to follow this thought, when someone says Jesus is God, perhaps what they are recognizing is just this: Oneness, or nonduality.

 

[Repox]

I closed my eyes while resting. For few seconds, I saw a vision of two small white colored spheres resembling pearls touching each other. I observed the objects to be the same size and color. My interpretation is the two spheres were symbols of God's duality. Both Gods are equal and stay permanently attached. It relates to a dream I had about the two Gods inside a sphere surrounded by angels. Before they created their first angel, the two Gods were perfect companions. Then, they created angels to participate in eternity with them. Since then, all angels, except Satan, have been obedient servants of the two Gods, loving and adoring them for all of eternity.

In short, my evidence are my experiences, they are irrefutable. I don't expect you to believe it because it is not scriptural. So, it is best to discontinue our discussion. Knowing what I know about God, I am puzzled about why God didn't reveal his duality to His chosen people. For several years of dreams and

Okay, you want an indisputable evidence that there is salvation if you obey the Law. Be my guest then!. Assuming that you were sleeping and in your dream, you went into a certain house and killed someone and you were caught. You got arrested, taken to Court and condemned either to death or to be in jail for the rest of your life. You woke up and found out that it was a terrible dream. You went back to sleep and, in the morning, when you woke up you were extremely happy that you did not have to go through the consequences of the dream. That's an indisputable evidence of salvation from the consequences of transgressing the Law aka if you obey it.

If I recall, our discussion began because you don't agree God is a duality. As for salvation, no one knows. I suspect salvation for humankind is in jeopardy. It all has to do with obeying God's Commandments.

 

[Ben Avraham]

But I have pointed out that when you make creation outside of God, you have made God a duality: Subject/object. If God is absolute Oneness, creation cannot be outside God. Even if perceptually it appears to us to be a duality, in Reality it is not. So to follow this thought, when someone says Jesus is God, perhaps what they are recognizing is just this: Oneness, or nonduality.

Because HaShem is independent of His Creation. Before the Universe was caused to exist, the Primal Cause was there when He proclaimed, "Let there be light!" That was the BB of Genesis 1:3.

 

[Ben Avraham]

But I have pointed out that when you make creation outside of God, you have made God a duality: Subject/object. If God is absolute Oneness, creation cannot be outside God. Even if perceptually it appears to us to be a duality, in Reality it is not. So to follow this thought, when someone says Jesus is God, perhaps what they are recognizing is just this: Oneness, or nonduality.

No, I have not. HaShem is alone God. Creation is the work of His "hands". God cannot be a duality with matter. Jesus
was a Jew and he was not a Hellenist.

 

[Repox]

I think the problem for humans trying to understand God is they have improper frameworks, or references. Almost everything about our material world, including physical laws, doesn't apply to the supernatural world. In my understanding of heaven, there are no atoms, no matter or energy, just bright white.