The Bacteria.

[Godobeyer]

What proof do you have for it. I say there are 107 planets. Just shoving a book in my face does not make a proof. That is known as 'Circular reasoning' - 'It is true because my book says so and my book is true'.

Quran mentionned it ,as it mentionned about Big bang ,and expanding of universe discovered .
since then it's just not discovered yet.

 

[Godobeyer]

And who is this 'we'? What proof do you have for this 'we'? Why should we believe in a 7th Century saying without any proof? They even thought at that time that earth was flat.Give me the number of the post. This thread extends for 15 pages. Valjean must have said something to which I agreed.

We "indicate " to God , that Arabic langauge skill.
it's already proved that universe is expanding as Quran mentionned before more than 1400 years ago.
The Expanding Universe

 

[FearGod]

Quran mentionned it ,as it mentionned about Big bang ,and expanding of universe discovered .
since then it's just not discovered yet.

Expanding the universe is imaginative, it may means........., let me guess

 

[Aupmanyav]

Yea, it is so mentioned in Qur'an, but the basic question is - what is the proof of existence of God/Allah? And Qur'an does not mention that the speed of expansion is increasing with time, that is known as the 'red shift'. Qur'an does not also mention when this expansion began and how it proceeded - the inflation. Also when and how the atoms and elements formed. You will need to depend on science to know that. Clearly, just Qur'an is not enough.

 

[LuisDantas]

You don't know the language of the quran,

You mean Arabic? I have read excerpts of translations of the Qur'an in both English and Portuguese plenty often enough.

Sure, they are not supposed to be protected from corruption by God. But there are plenty of Muslims who could question their general validity if they so chose, so I figure they are reliable enough.

More to the point, there is only so much to go on with scriptural claims.

At some moment one would expect people to show the goods and speak with some measure of understanding and wisdom instead of taking refuge in promises and scripture quotes that barely have any clear meaning.

That hardly ever happens when the Qur'an is mentioned.

so you can't make your own fair judgement and
i don't blame you for that.

I do blame you for the presumption.

 

[FearGod]

You mean Arabic? I have read excerpts of translations of the Qur'an in both English and Portuguese plenty often enough.

Sure, they are not supposed to be protected from corruption by God. But there are plenty of Muslims who could question their general validity if they so chose, so I figure they are reliable enough.

More to the point, there is only so much to go on with scriptural claims.

At some moment one would expect people to show the goods and speak with some measure of understanding and wisdom instead of taking refuge in promises and scripture quotes that barely have any clear meaning.

That hardly ever happens when the Qur'an is mentioned.

I do blame you for the presumption.

So you have no knowledge in the language of the quran hence you're ignorant.
You only depend on the others and how they translated the verses but you can't know who
is right and who is wrong.

 

[LuisDantas]

So you have no knowledge in the language of the quran hence you're ignorant.
You only depend on the others and how they translated the verses but you can't know who
is right and who is wrong.

Do you think you have any advantage on me in that regard?

 

[Aupmanyav]

You think you can do better than this?:

or this: http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/1/1/default.htm

Never think that atheists are less than anyone. We use our brains.

 

[FearGod]

You think you can do better than this?:

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or this: http://www.usc.edu/org/cmje/religious-texts/quran/verses/001-qmt.php

or this: http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/1/1/default.htm

Never think that atheists are less than anyone. We use our brains.

With these great sources that you got find the actual meanings for the word "سلالة"

 

[Satans_Serrated_Edge]

LOL say what you want about Muslims; They sure do come up with some amusing attempts at arguing for their religion.

They do have science over there right? Sometimes I wonder.

 

[Aupmanyav]

With these great sources that you got find the actual meanings for the word "سلالة"

You are giving this without context. Words can be used in many ways. However, see this: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/strain?s=t

LOL say what you want about Muslims; They sure do come up with some amusing attempts at arguing for their religion. They do have science over there right? Sometimes I wonder.

They have Qur'an, their madarsas and their ulema. Why will they need science? Am I correct in presuming that you are from Pakistan, @Fear God?

 

[Yerda]

one block? All block would died .
Same result : death, then start over from the beginning.so same result forever.

Hi. Did you see my response in post #268? Did it help?

 

[FearGod]

You are giving this without context. Words can be used in many ways. However, see this: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/strain?s=t

(23:12) سلالة من طين

سلالة means genealogy, strain, made in chains
من means from
طين means clay

Do you need a translator to translate it, but i can see no translator has translated the right
meaning for سلالة and i think you did even better than them by finding the word strain which
is close to genealogy which no one of the English translators did.

They have Qur'an, their madarsas and their ulema. Why will they need science? Am I correct in presuming that you are from Pakistan, @Fear God?

From Jordan

 

[Valjean]

How things pop into existence from nothing, examples please

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-virtual-particles-rea/

Creationists believe that the universe is a work of a plan and design, the contrary of the plan and design is
the chaos, coincidences, chances ..etc, you can fool yourself as much as you want but that won't change the reality.

But where is the evidence for this design? Steven Hawking and I see no need for a designer.
Given the physical laws and constants that emerged in the "big bang," the the play of ordinary physics would account for all the impressive order we see around us. Yes, the interplay can be complex, but dismissing it for a simplistic appeal to magic is an intellectual cop-out

Granted, a different Bang might have created different laws and constants, and perhaps many have -- creating lifeless universes, incomprehensible from our perspective, where 2+2=5. But our Bang rolled sevens.

How can you judge the quran with no knowledge?
Did you read the whole quran and are you expert in the Arabic language as I'm?

How can the Quran comment on knowledge that was unknown at the time it was written, and if it was written by God, why didn't He make his meaning clear? Why did He not write a biological explanation of genetics so his meaning would be clear to the people?

How coincidences after a long period of time will cause a designed outcome and not destruction? examples please

The only coincidences were in setting up the initial rules. After that, ordinary chemical, physical and biological interactions -- unguided, natural interactions -- will produce outcomes that appear designed and intentional, but are, in fact, explainable by ordinary physics and mathematics.[/QUOTE]

 

[Valjean]

Unbelievable, the Atheists were disagreeing with me while not knowing which verse I was talking about,
just blindly disagree and i was expecting this to happen and it happened.

They don't investigate, they don't search for the truth, a blind disbelief.

We dismiss the Quran as a work of man, not God. It's we who investigate, it's we who dismiss authority and actually test and search for truth.

Human whom made science , and science is not complete to know everything. its always develop.

Humans made the Quran. It is fallible and reflects the values and world-view of the Arab cultures in the early 600s

No, you don't understand which mean .
I mean There is 7 planets similar to earth in universe (not in our solar system) , its had life too.

What are these planets, and how are they similar?

You don't know the language of the quran, so you can't make your own fair judgement and
i don't blame you for that.

But you assume the Quran is correct. You do not test it. You do not attempt to falsify it. You twist reality to make it fit into the scripture.
This is the exact opposite of the scientific approach.
Which approach has yielded more technological development and understanding of the world in the last thousand years?

 

[Valjean]

We "indicate " to God , that Arabic langauge skill.
it's already proved that universe is expanding as Quran mentionned before more than 1400 years ago.

Verse, please.

So you have no knowledge in the language of the quran hence you're ignorant.
You only depend on the others and how they translated the verses but you can't know who
is right and who is wrong.

The Quran is not a textbook, and it's "declarations" have not been tested or peer reviewed, hence, it cannot be accepted as a scientific text

 

[Aupmanyav]

Do you need a translator to translate it, ..

No, I do not need a translator, It has already been translated at http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/23/12/default.htm

 

[FearGod]

No, I do not need a translator, It has already been translated at http://www.islamawakened.com/quran/23/12/default.htm

you have already decided before even seeing the verse.

 

[LuisDantas]

you have already decided before even seeing the verse.

Immaterial even if true. The verse is what it is. The translations are widely available and can be improved on by bilinguists who understand Arabic at any time. It is not really conceivable that somehow the translations fall so significantly short of accuracy pretty much all the time.

You do not get to brag that people who disagree with your reading of the Qur'an "do no approach it with a pure intention" or somesuch.

You may or may not realize that, but such a tired claim is just a nice veneer for insistence that one must be unquestioning in order for the Qur'an to appear correct and meaningful.

 

[Runewolf1973]

The only coincidences were in setting up the initial rules. After that, ordinary chemical, physical and biological interactions -- unguided, natural interactions -- will produce outcomes that appear designed and intentional, but are, in fact, explainable by ordinary physics and mathematics.

Agreed, and one of those forms of physical or chemical interactions which appear designed or intentional is what we call Life. Life is really just an appearance...an illusion generated by certain interactions under certain conditions.