The Bacteria.

[FearGod]

What's the question here?

I didn't not asked question, just a comment.

 

[FearGod]

No. The Quran stating the absurdly obvious that everyone knows, such as "the sun comes up in the morning", does not translate into reasons to "trust" the Quran to give us life answers. Here's one for you. "If you step in front of a speeding train and it hits you at 70 mph hour, you will die". Since that is true, then you should believe that God does not send prophets into the world, since I don't believe that, and I speak the truth about speeding trains will kill you if you are hit by them.

Do you think it's impossible that humans one day will discover something and then live forever?
If yes, then how sure you're?

 

[LuisDantas]

God said in Quran all you would taste the death, no one will live forever., the non-Muslim should trust the Quran on this.

Non-Muslims, by definition, have no particular duty nor likelihood to trust the Qur'an.

That said, it turns out that I agree with it in this particular stance.

My main interesting question again :
How you explain that scientists (NO ONE) could not revive the death person ?

Why would that question need an explanation in the first place? Acknowledgement, perhaps, or even verification. But hardly an explanation.

Your use of that word implies that there is some expectation that humans should have that ability. That comes out of nowhere and has no reason to be expected.

that's know that some persons had the ability to know(they don't know you in person) you secrets or your name mother or father ...etc , or may predict something would happened to you in future.(it would be happened).

You would be surprised by how easily those things are made.

 

[Godobeyer]

No. The Quran stating the absurdly obvious that everyone knows, such as "the sun comes up in the morning", does not translate into reasons to "trust" the Quran to give us life answers. Here's one for you. "If you step in front of a speeding train and it hits you at 70 mph hour, you will die". Since that is true, then you should believe that God does not send prophets into the world, since I don't believe that, and I speak the truth about speeding trains will kill you if you are hit by them.

Quran said everyone is will died, so whatever you had money or got science developed to stay alive , in the end you will died. "that's challenge"

Quran contain both somethings everyone knows ,and something unknown.

 

[LuisDantas]

Where did i say so? in which post, i was only asking questions and never decided anything yet.

Sorry, I don't want to indulge in your game right now.

 

[FearGod]

Sorry, I don't want to indulge in your game right now.

You already indulged, but it isn't a game, but a honest discussion.

 

[Godobeyer]

Non-Muslims, by definition, have no particular duty nor likelihood to trust the Qur'an.

That said, it turns out that I agree with it in this particular stance.

in this issue Quran said you born and you will died, agree ?

Why would that question need an explanation in the first place? Acknowledgement, perhaps, or even verification. But hardly an explanation.

Why it's not need an explanation lol
I do believe it's interesting point.
why not ? because everyone want to live longer,or revive from death.

You would be surprised by how easily those things are made.

Suprised me , How ?

 

[Father Heathen]

Maybe because human science is not perfect enough to discover hide creatures (Jinny and Angels)?

Do you think all paranormal activities are just fake and lies ?

Of course our knowledge of science isn't complete, and of course there are things yet to be discovered, but until we have solid evidence you only have presumption and speculation.

 

[Aupmanyav]

Nothing strange about humans but about the bacteria.

What is strange about bacteria? They are life-forms just like us.

God said in Quran all you would taste the death, no one will live forever., the non-Muslim should trust the Quran on this.

Oh, that is a revelation. I did not know that till now. :face palm: :bang head:

 

[Windwalker]

Do you think it's impossible that humans one day will discover something and then live forever?

I certainly hope not!

If yes, then how sure you're?

Even if I did, or did not, "certainly" is more a matter of trusting degrees of likelihood or unlikelihood based on what evidences we are looking at. We generally don't deal with absolutes in our predictions. For instance, the likelihood that ancient religious texts contain hidden scientific truths that we have yet to discovered is continuing to appear less and less likely as it shown again and again to be in error about other matters of science, and the only way it can be read as supporting currently available data is to mangle the texts to such a degree you have squint and defocus your eyes just right to see it. So the hope that science will one day confirm the Quran as containing magical scientific knowledge seems reasonably unlikely to ever occur. Therefore, we can have a relative high degree of certainty it will never happen.

 

[PeteC-UK]

Hi Folks..

Windwalker; Yer its very complicated - a definate difference between "physically alive" and TRULY alive as I would term it (spiritually alive??) - and has a lot to do with the actual "seed" that the body receives - understand Iam saying the "seed of life" is a seed of Divine and eternal MIND - a Self aware being that is taking a lifeform again in order to indeed, become ever more Self aware.......

Now we are entering the realms of "reincarnation" - for once this seed inhabiting an individual body form attains sufficient Self awareness within life, it will come to see Self as something OTHER than just its "physical body form" - the EMOTIONS are crucial for this of course - it will come to recognise that OTHERS are the SAME as Self despite having a DIFFERENT body - when the individual comes to identify more with MIND and less with physical forms then it will reach a crucial plateau of Self awareness - and when finally true EMPATHY for others DESPITE the differences, dawns in the mind then the ETERNAL nature is about to come forth and so too become realised...

Upon that individuals mortal death - this "seed of life" is free again from ALL material forms - and yet - hopefully - it has become sufficently self aware to REALISE that it was not the body - that it is actually the "thing" that is INSIDE the body...And it comes to this Self awareness as said, by recognising this exact same "thing" first WITHIN OTHERS through the interactions of life itself......When such an individual dies and the body perishes, the mind remains intact - understood already it was NEVER just the body - didnt IDENTIFY with the body , but instead identified with the MIND within the body..Thus it is now free upon mortal death and realises it is ETERNAL,does not NEED a body at all and yet exists anyway and continously...The "seed of life" has now become so Self aware that is a bona fide and ETERNAL Soul - it will never lose that status because it is purely a state of SELF AWARENESS within the mind for it is mind itself that IS eternal..

Not all animals have a SOUL at all - most do not - but rest assured EVERY HUMAN DOES....We already KNOW we are an eternal entity even before we took a life here - and in life we are here REMEMBERING who and what we are - experiencing it directly by hiding from our Self and working it out a new step by step to verify and directly experience our own Self conception..

When a cow dies for instance or any other similar animal form - it doesnt have a Soul - no notion of an eternal existance - all it knows is bare genetic impulse with bare scattering of emotional input - and that is all it is - a robot...It doesnt look at other animal forms and see another MIND at all - it has no cross species cross form empathy at all - it is not Sentient - it is not TRULY alive - doesnt have that crucial SOUL...When such an animal dies, its energetic essence that powered the body literally evaporates into "nothingness" - for mind is fully ABSTRACT and exists with or without a body form to define it...the poor animal though never got to realise that, and so it never realised its INDIVIDUAL ETERNAL nature...the human though DOES realise it - it is inherant to us all - at the very core of our mind is an eternal truth already - the seed deposited from an already eternal SOUL - we KNOW we are "special" lets say...And certain other animal forms also are right on the verge of this Self realisation too - and through many repeated exposures in life we will eventually come to full Self understanding - and this is the drive of ALL LIFE - to come TO this Self realisation AS an eternal fully omniscient spirit that we have ALWAYS been a part of..

As I say above - all life -all existance - is NOT about the physical world at all - it is about the eternal Mind that CAUSED these things to be possible..it All flows from the fully abstract mind of a fully Sentient Being as it seeks for compete Self understanding,Self revelation - complete Self Gnosis..

 

[FearGod]

I certainly hope not!


Even if I did, or did not, "certainly" is more a matter of trusting degrees of likelihood or unlikelihood based on what evidences we are looking at. We generally don't deal with absolutes in our predictions. For instance, the likelihood that ancient religious texts contain hidden scientific truths that we have yet to discovered is continuing to appear less and less likely as it shown again and again to be in error about other matters of science, and the only way it can be read as supporting currently available data is to mangle the texts to such a degree you have squint and defocus your eyes just right to see it. So the hope that science will one day confirm the Quran as containing magical scientific knowledge seems reasonably unlikely to ever occur. Therefore, we can have a relative high degree of certainty it will never happen.

So science can one day find the remedy for human to live forever, but you said that the quran says something that naturally will
never happen because it's naturally impossible for a human to find a remedy to survive forever.

Are you contradicting yourself?

 

[Godobeyer]

Of course our knowledge of science isn't complete, and of course there are things yet to be discovered, but until we have solid evidence you only have presumption and speculation.

1- for Jinny , That's personal experience , until you meet a person had that ability(magician using Jinny) , you would believe me.

1-For death, no one could revive you, or revive the deaths because soul is taken from body by an angel.

-God in Quran told us the universe is in expansion process before 1400 years, the scientists discover that recently. so Quran was lieing, now it's tell the truth ?
-God in Quran told us there are other planets similaire to this earth , there is a life there, so because scientists could discover that,until that Quran is telling a lie ?

 

[LuisDantas]

You already indulged, but it isn't a game, but a honest discussion.

I would not call it a discussion.

 

[FearGod]

What is strange about bacteria? They are life-forms just like us.Oh, that is a revelation. I did not know that till now. :face palm: :bang head:

Bacteria can survive high temperatures, humans will turn into ashes, if not strange then can
you explain how this to be simple?

 

[FearGod]

I would not call it a discussion.

What you call it then?

 

[Windwalker]

So science can one day find the remedy for human to live forever

Did I say that in my post? No, I did not. I simply said I hoped not. I gave no opinion on the possibility of it. Even if we could, who would want to? And moreover, it would probably the worst of humanity who could afford the procedure, the greedy self-interested money-grabbers. At this point, it sounds far more like science fiction than possibility, like believing one day we'll discover Jinn on a planet somewhere in our solar system. Actually, no. The possibility of science being able to slow or even stop death is actually higher degree of possibility than that.

, but you said that the quran says something that naturally will
never happen because it's naturally impossible for a human to find a remedy to survive forever.

This makes no sense. I will say this, your reading that the Quran says all men die being taken as a "prediction" science will never find a cure for death is truly a bad and awful reading of the text. It was simply stating what appeared obvious to all people, like saying the sun "rises". Even that "obvious" statement is not technically true! The sun does not "rise". The sun doesn't move at all as it appears at different positions in our sky. We are moving, not the sun. We are turning "down" which make it appear to "rise". It's all realitive perspective and the inherited language we use, which those in the past came up with based on their limited understanding of these things. (Why am I even bothering to teach this? Apparently I think it's necessary? )

Are you contradicting yourself?

Nope.

 

[Windwalker]

Bacteria can survive high temperatures, humans will turn into ashes, if not strange then can
you explain how this to be simple?

That's already been explained in this discussion here why. And so what is your conclusion here even if you ignore the scientific reasons why? What is your point in all of this. Can you please just state it and get it over with?

 

[FearGod]

Did I say that in my post? No, I did not. I simply said I hoped not. I gave no opinion on the possibility of it. Even if we could, who would want to? And moreover, it would probably the worst of humanity who could afford the procedure, the greedy self-interested money-grabbers. At this point, it sounds far more like science fiction than possibility, like believing one day we'll discover Jinn on a planet somewhere in our solar system. Actually, no. The possibility of science being able to slow or even stop death is actually higher degree of possibility than that.


This makes no sense. I will say this, your reading that the Quran says all men die being taken as a "prediction" science will never find a cure for death is truly a bad and awful reading of the text. It was simply stating what appeared obvious to all people, like saying the sun "rises". Even that "obvious" statement is not technically true! The sun does not "rise". The sun doesn't move at all in relation to its position in our sky.


Nope.

I don't agree with you that living forever can't be a challenge because it'll never happen,

I'm quoting your reply which doesn't really make any sense.

No. The Quran stating the absurdly obvious that everyone knows, such as "the sun comes up in the morning", does not translate into reasons to "trust" the Quran to give us life answers. Here's one for you. "If you step in front of a speeding train and it hits you at 70 mph hour, you will die". Since that is true, then you should believe that God does not send prophets into the world, since I don't believe that, and I speak the truth about speeding trains will kill you if you are hit by them.

 

[Jumi]

No i can't see the bacteria in my teeth, the dental plaque is the remains of food and some chemical reactions
which cause it to be formed, the dental plaque isn't the bacteria.

Bacteria is feeding on the remains of the food causing the dental plaque to form.

Dental plaque

is a biofilm or mass of bacteria that grows on surfaces within the mouth. It is a sticky colorless deposit at first, but when it forms tartar it is brown or pale yellow that is commonly found between the teeth, front of teeth, behind teeth, on chewing surface, along the gumline, or below the gumline cervical margins.

Did i say that the living bacteria doesn't exist, i know that they do exit and can't be seen by us.

We can see them.