The Bacteria.

[Windwalker]

You pretend not to understand, so I'm done here.

I don't pretend anything. You are generally quite confusing. Blame me for that, if it makes you feel better.

 

[Windwalker]

To summarize the argument from FearGod:

1. I'm not aware of what science teaches, therefore magic.
2. Science is confusing to me, therefore magic.
3. Science has yet to explain something, therefore magic
4. I believe in magic.
5.You should accept magic too because it makes sense to me.

 

[Godobeyer]

Of course. It hardly takes religious faith to realize that people are born and die

Most of time religious faith match with human facts.

Why, of course it does not. Did anyone promise that humans would be capable of living forever? Despite everything pointing out against it?
If you say so. I don't understand why it would be.

God promises the humans would not be capable to living forever,do you think humans could defeat that ?
God promises that humans will resurrection , and live forever ,it's finale destination I hope you would enjoy it

I live in a land plagued by believers in spirits. Somewhere between 10%-90% of Brazilians believe that it is possible for "mediums" to speak the words of the deceased.

They are a remarkably dishonest bunch. Dishonest with themselves above all else. They come very near to shout out loud for people to allow them to keep deluding themselves.

They are also fond of using stage magic tricks with various degrees of competence, in order to further their act. It is not all that difficult an art to learn

And you believe in spirits too ?

I am not talking about magic tricks, I was talking about REAL magic using Jinny.

Is trick that someone you just meet know your name and all things about you ?

 

[Aupmanyav]

Hi, Aupmanyav. There was some sort of syntax trouble with this picture, so I took the liberty of hiding the code with spoiler tags and annexing the image here. I hope you don't mind.

I do not mind anything in the world. That is part of my enlightenment.

 

[McBell]

I would not call it a discussion.

I cannot help but wonder how he defines "honest"...

 

[LuisDantas]

Most of time religious faith match with human facts.

Not often enough, apparently.

God promises the humans would not be capable to living forever,do you think humans could defeat that ?

I don't take divine promises seriously enough to think in terms of defeating them.

I do however think immortality is neither a worthy goal nor an actual possibility.

God promises that humans will resurrection , and live forever ,it's finale destination I hope you would enjoy it

I very much doubt it. If I could choose to be immortal, I would reject the offer.

And you believe in spirits too ?

No, I do not. If I did, however, I would assume them to be psychic garbage.

I am not talking about magic tricks, I was talking about REAL magic using Jinny.

I doubt it to exist.

For that matter, I do not believe in Djinns either.

Sometimes I wish telepathy did exist. It would make for a very different, in most ways considerably better world.

Is trick that someone you just meet know your name and all things about you ?

Yes, it usually is. We have names for that - cold reading and warm reading - and and some skilled skeptics can reproduce it and expose the tricks, even.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading

Once one learns a bit about psychology and statistics, most of the supernatural vanishes into thin air.

 

[Aupmanyav]

God promises the humans would not be capable to living forever,do you think humans could defeat that ?
God promises that humans will resurrection , and live forever ,it's finale destination I hope you would enjoy it

And you believe in spirits too ? I am not talking about magic tricks, I was talking about REAL magic using Jinny. Is trick that someone you just meet know your name and all things about you ?

We are not prophets to be able to tell you what will happen in future. Science is working on it. They are able to replace kidney, liver heart, attached severed arms, penises, and in a few cases even a severed head. I do not know whether they succeeded or not.

Yeah, God promises many things, we only need to accept Jesus, Mohammad or Baha'ullah, but the problem arises about guarantee. Verbal second-hand or third-hand promises are hardly worth anything. No, I do not believe in spirits, magic, ghosts or jinnat. In 7th Century, people believed in them. Oh yes, road-side astrologers in India surprise people by these tricks.

 

[Windwalker]

To add to my other point about Magic versus Science, this article ties perfectly in here. This preacher who is a faith-healer interprets science as against faith (lets define that in the context of this thread as "belief in magic"). From the article, and I think this underscores the whole underlying premise behind this current ridiculous thread:

“We believe that pharmaceuticals and medicine is a product from Satan,” Sevy said. “Proof can be found in one of the lost books of Enoch.”

He also described medicine as “witchcraft and sorcery.”

“Those who imbibe in those things will not attain a home in heaven,” Sevy said. “That is our belief. We use it to condemn no one but ourselves. Like I said, we respect your choice and your belief, and hope the very best for you.”

[from here: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/08/ida...g-children-medicine-is-a-product-from-satan/]
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This is a mind that does not understand modern science. It thinks and believes in terms of magic. Such a mind cannot be shown evidence and expect them to be able to see it. It doesn't fit within the framework of a magical worldview.

 

[FearGod]

You are trolling. You did not ask this: Ask a question and stick to it; changing your question six or eight times in a thread and heading off on tangents and changing the subject is trolling.

You don't have a case: you keep asking for people to explain to you what has already been explained. Since when are bacteria "delicate structures?" They are certainly "simple," compared to many other organisms, but delicate? Bacteria are often described as "hardy," but I don't recall ever seeing them described as "delicate." Please cite your source.

My source is my mind, if you want to rely only on books and references and what the others had done without using your
own analysis and your own views then no need for you to discuss this subject with me.

That being said, then i don't need a book to tell me what is a delicate and which isn't, the cell wall thickness is
about 10 nm (0.000001 cm) and some a little bit more, how that isn't a delicate structure or should i read it in a book.

imagine an iron thinned to the thickness of 10 nm, will it be as delicate as the iron of 1 m of thickness?

While simpler in structure than the cells in humans, the same basic principles apply--except that simpler can also be more durable. SOME bacteria have the ability to enter a state of suspended animation when conditions change from those in which they thrive--even so, those few that enter suspended animation can still be killed by extending the duration of the exposure, or changing it (heat plus acidity, for example, is more effective than either alone. The cells of humans and other multicellular creatures have more trouble adapting to such conditions because their cells are more complex than bacterial cells.

Now then, there are a wide variety of bacteria that live in extreme conditions: high temperature, high or low acidity, etc. Structurally, they are very similar to those who live under less strenuous conditions. The difference? They have evolved to live under those conditions. And you know what? When the conditions they're in start to get out of their comfort range, they, too, can enter a state of suspended animation until they get into conditions that are favorable again.

Now then, I am not a bacteriologist or biochemist, so I can't explain the details to you, but be assured, if you would just read up a little on this, you would understand that biologists DO INDEED understand what is going on with bacteria, and how they can survive in conditions that will kill humans or other multicellular creatures. IT IS NOT A MYSTERY to science. And if you don't believe me and the others posting in this thread, then GET AN EDUCATION for yourself.

Scientist believe that bacteria which existed on earth before 4.5 billions years ago were the ones that resist
harsh conditions, so those who got better resistance has to survive and pass their genes and then how you
could explain that bacteria evolved to less resistance organisms?

 

[Windwalker]

Sometimes I wish telepathy did exist. It would make for a very different, in most ways considerably better world.

Until the Marketing and Advertizing machine figured out how to put ads directly into our brains while we are asleep. Dear god, save us from such a world! It's bad enough already as it is!

 

[McBell]

My source is my mind, ....

That explains quite a bit

 

[FearGod]

Tardigrades can survive the vacuum of outer space(among other things that would kill us). Are they Angels of Allah?

Ask the Torah.

 

[FearGod]

That explains quite a bit

When the others don't use their minds and rely on memorizing without thinking for awhile what they do read.

 

[beenherebeforeagain]

My source is my mind, if you want to rely only on books and references and what the others had done without using your
own analysis and your own views then no need for you to discuss this subject with me.

That being said, then i don't need a book to tell me what is a delicate and which isn't, the cell wall thickness is
about 10 nm (0.000001 cm) and some a little bit more, how that isn't a delicate structure or should i read it in a book.

imagine an iron thinned to the thickness of 10 nm, will it be as delicate as the iron of 1 m of thickness?



Scientist believe that bacteria which existed on earth before 4.5 billions years ago were the ones that resist
harsh conditions, so those who got better resistance has to survive and pass their genes and then how you
could explain that bacteria evolved to less resistance organisms?

Okay, I'm done. You: "I'll accept this tidbit of scientific knowledge, but not this one, or that one..."

 

[McBell]

When the others don't use their minds and rely on memorizing without thinking for awhile what they do read.

except you do not have the foundational knowledge to be successful at critical thinking.
This thread alone proves it.

 

[FearGod]

To summarize the argument from FearGod:

1. I'm not aware of what science teaches, therefore magic.
2. Science is confusing to me, therefore magic.
3. Science has yet to explain something, therefore magic
4. I believe in magic.
5.You should accept magic too because it makes sense to me.

Not true, it's your conclusion and not my points

 

[FearGod]

except you do not have the foundational knowledge to be successful at critical thinking.
This thread alone proves it.

Why wasting your time in this thread if you find it silly, your opinion is well received.

 

[McBell]

Why wasting your time in this thread if you find it silly, your opinion is well received.

I believe it is called the Howard Stern Effect.

I just can not wait to see what outlandishly ridiculous nonsense you are going to post next.

 

[LuisDantas]

My source is my mind,

So you presume to be capable of knowing better than what is actually known and researched just because?

There is a name for such an attitude. Ironically, it used to be associated with the desire to challenge the Gods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubris

 

[Godobeyer]

Not often enough, apparently.


I don't take divine promises seriously enough to think in terms of defeating them.

I do however think immortality is neither a worthy goal nor an actual possibility.


I very much doubt it. If I could choose to be immortal, I would reject the offer.

It's good that you accept your destiny.

No, I do not. If I did, however, I would assume them to be psychic garbage.

I doubt it to exist.

For that matter, I do not believe in Djinns either.

Sometimes I wish telepathy did exist. It would make for a very different, in most ways considerably better world.

I do believe they are existed, by life experiences.

Yes, it usually is. We have names for that - cold reading and warm reading - and and some skilled skeptics can reproduce it and expose the tricks, even.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading

Once one learns a bit about psychology and statistics, most of the supernatural vanishes into thin air.

I think the psychology or statistics had nothing to do with someone tell you personal secrects.