ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
Why is it you who keeps running away from the answers to the questions you endlessly and pointlessly repeat, then?
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The Big Bang Theory is dead.
- Thread starter SavedByTheLord
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First prove that the term '1 trillion years before the Big Bang' is a meaningful phrase. In particular, show that there was time that long ago.
No, it does not. Both 'cause and effect' (which is just the application of natural laws) and
energy conservation' assume that *time* exists.
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So please prove there was time before the Big Bang to show your question is meaningful.
We do not know that there was anything before the Big Bang. We do not know that there was not. If you have *evidence* one way or the other, please let someone know.
McBell
Admiral Obvious
Um...
The Devil made them do it?
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
What time is it now? Does time exists? What is time? Is it running backwards? What counts as existence?
Just dumb circular reasoning to evade the fact that yiu have no clue whatsoever as to the origin of anything.
I know of course and have proven that God Almighty created all things about 6000 years ago in 6 days.
What was the first living thing made of? Was it DNA? Was it RNA? Was it just proteins? Was it some mix?
ratiocinator
Lightly seared on the reality grill.
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
Whatever I decide it is.
Only insofar as I allow it.
The thing you waste by posting here.
No. But approaching you slows it down.
Whatever I decide to be so.
I am the origin of anything and everything.
Prove me wrong. No assumptions allowed
This is incorrect. I created everything 5 seconds ago. Prove me wrong. No assumptions allowed
It was pasta.
Ramen.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
No, that would be you. I just pointed out that your claims are inaccurate and all over the place.
You still don't understand what circular reasoning is. Hint: it has nothing to do with those numbers.
Au contraire. Science predicts it.
This is what happens when one gets his science from a holy book.
This, too. There is no such thing as a "kind" in biology.
And this. This is untrue, but even if it were correct or we stipulated to it, so what?
Sure you did. Like Hoyle and his junkyard tornado 747, you tried to set up the problems as a series of independent events.
OK. The chances of life existing on earth are 100%. The chances of a supernatural intelligent existing designer are vanishingly small. The chances of life arranging itself from nonlife are according to the laws of chemistry and thermodynamics are excellent. You do the math, but do it right this time.
I thank you on behalf of the dozens of people who flock to your threads slack-jawed for a turn to show how you're wrong.
IANS prophecy fulfilled yet again. You are very predictable.
By the way, the physics is here, but not so much the god.
And why would you call it a god if it were constrained to finely tuned limits? So is man, who discovered and creates within those same parameters.
No, you are sure that a god was involved. The critical thinker is generally an agnostic atheist. No other position regarding gods isn't faith-based at least in part. You should know that by now, but you don't. But don't feel picked on. Most creationists can't distinguish between having no god belief and believing that gods don't exist. You tell them one and they invariably repeat back the other. I don't expect you to ever learn that if you haven't yet.
No god appears to be needed or involved in reality. Nature appears to be up to the task without intelligent oversight. And there are no gods in sight, just the physical universe and its immutable laws, which organized reality from a hot dense state into the filaments of galaxies of solar systems like ours, where first life then mind arose under the direction of those laws. Gods aren't needed for any of it. What would be their part? Force organic molecules to make proteins? They do that blindly. To organize planets into spheres? Same answer. To push those planets around their stars? Ditto. To make water freeze and ice melt? Nobody needs to be there for that. The only "god" we need is nature and its laws, which appear to be unconscious and purposeless.
For you, a man of one book.
More prophecy fulfilled. This is too easy.
You don't debate. Hand-waving, perseveration, Gish galloping, and asking questions you can't answer as deflection aren't debate. Debate involves attempts at falsification of one of two mutually exclusive positions using the rules of inference applied to evidence. You don't do that. You post drive-by comments that get rebutted (that's debate), ignore the falsification, and repeat yourself (that's not debate). You're not even a part of the discussion if you function at that level. You and that behavior become the subject of it.
Yet it's you dancing through these threads like a marionette.
"Pull the string! Dance to that!"
On what day did God create cancers that kill children? The Bible doesn't mention it, but you surely know the answer if your beliefs are true, yes?
If you dodge and insist it was Satan, then why did God create Satan with the power to crete cncers that kill children, and then do nothing to stop it? You have answers, yes? If you can't answer then why should we believe your other claims are true?
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Sickeness and death are a result of the fall of mankind through sin.
What was the first living creature?
What caused the Big Bang?
Why can't you answer my many origin questions?
Have you met my challenge yet?
Can you refute my many infallible proofs that the Bible is the word of God and evolution and billions of years are lie?
What do you think about the attack on Israel? That is several Biblical prophecies being fulfilled in exact detail and timing.
The Bible describes the great heat needed to dissolve the universe. – 2 Pet 3
That is advanced science from the Bible before that was discovered in modern time.
What does your circular reasoning tell you and will you fulfill many prophecies?
Subduction Zone
Veteran Member
That is a claim. It is not a fact. You keep forgetting that your claim of showing that the Bible is reliable was a falsehood.
Just as your God created it. Or was your God caught off guard and didn’t foresee what would happen? Your God, if omnipresent, knew the Fall would happen, and he designed it that way. God knew what Satan would do, and has let it all happen. If you get cancer and die it is God’s will and you should avoid doctors, right?
If your God is in charge then it’s accountable for all that happens. No excuses, no deflections on Satan, because God created Satan and knew what he would do. God is Satan.
That’s been answered. Live with it.
I suspect the internal instability of the singularity.
I defer to experts. If they don’t have definitive answers yet then we wait.
Many of us have and you ignore them. Notice even you can’t meet your own challenge. That’s funny.
You didn’t offer any to refute. You have made claims that are absurd and lack credibility.
It’s the ongoing battle within religions. Tragic. If more people were atheists and rational then more peace would be possible.
None that you show are clearly in the Bible. You rely too much on assumptions and your own invented details.
Absurd.
You don’t understand what circular reasoning is. It’s funny how you never mentioned it until a critic pointed it out about how formed your religious beliefs. Now you use it in most every post. You obviously felt the sting of that critique and now try to reverse the pain. But we are critical thinkers. We follow evidence and use reasoning skills to make conclusions and resolve disputes. You are dogmatic and avoid skillful thinking. The inner conflict must be stressful. Tell us more about why you suffer for God?
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
Wow no science, logic or info in that post.
What was the first living creature?
What was the energy source for these reactions?
TagliatelliMonster
Veteran Member
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
What features did the first living creature have?
What was the first offspring?
It's like watching broken record expecting it to change itself.
Do you have anything beyond these predictable non-responses?
Do you like pets?
Do you go out?
What kind of hobbies do you have. I mean besides repeating things on the internet.
It is interesting that you say this. I would think that the best way to make Christianity look unappealing is to do what we are seeing being done.
Close the mind. Repeat mantras denying science. Declare oneself the winner constantly. Treat others with such open and intense disrespect and disdain. It is quite the witness in my opinion. All that is missing so far is to attack other Christians. Or did I miss that already?
What are the names of the first people to run a race? You can't answer that, but people run races today.
What caused the invention of the radio? We know the who and the how, but what was the cause? If you can't name it, does that mean we don't have radio?
Why can't you answer the many, many, many, many questions asked of you?
There is no challenge.
I think everyone has at least once. Do you want people to go round again. Twice the ride, half the price.
I think you would claim one of my cats farting was the fulfillment of prophecy. How long do you have to go before you realize you have gone nowhere?
I join you in having no idea what this means or is supposed to mean.
No it isn't.
I don't see anyone using circular reasoning except you. Your prophecies? Are you claiming divinity?
SavedByTheLord
Well-Known Member
No info in that post, just deception by circular reasoning.
Back to reality.
There is not enough forces to have formed the mountain ranges of the world through plate tectonics.
Plate Tectonics: too weak to build mountains
newgeology.us
So what caused the mountain ranges?
They were raised up after the food and further formed when God divided the earth in the days of Peleg.
This proves that evolution and billions of years are false,