The Big Bang Theory is dead.

[SavedByTheLord]

Without living things, there is no evolution.
There are living things.

Period.

But without God, abiogenesis is impossible.
And since there are living things, God must have created them.
End proof.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

But without God, abiogenesis is impossible.

What makes you say that? We don't know how life came from non-life, but the odds are that it was a perfectly natural occurance.

 

[Subduction Zone]

But without God, abiogenesis is impossible.
And since there are living things, God must have created them.
End proof.

You still do not know what a logical argument is either. I reject your premises. Try again.

 

[vijeno]

But without God, abiogenesis is impossible.

But prana existed before god.

 

[Kfox]

I think everyone agrees that living things didn't exist until they did. It's the sort of statement that wins a prize for being obvious.

No; there are some who believe the cell may have always existed.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

No; there are some who believe the cell may have always existed.

I have never met any such person. How would such a person explain cells existing in the singularity at the beginning of the Big Bang?

 

[YoursTrue]

I think everyone agrees that living things didn't exist until they did. It's the sort of statement that wins a prize for being obvious.

Very good! Ok I amend that...on the earth living things did not exist until they did exist.

 

[YoursTrue]

No; there are some who believe the cell may have always existed.

Really?

 

[YoursTrue]

I have never met any such person. How would such a person explain cells existing in the singularity at the beginning of the Big Bang?

There's an old song called "Anything Goes..."

 

[YoursTrue]

I think everyone agrees that living things didn't exist until they did. It's the sort of statement that wins a prize for being obvious.

Kind of like Stephen Hawkins assertion that something came from nothing. No proof, no nothing.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Very good! Ok I amend that...on the earth living things did not exist until they did exist.

Well, we have no idea if life exists on other planets or not. Given the size of the universe, the mathematical probability is that there is life elsewhere. But so far, we have not encountered it.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

There's an old song called "Anything Goes..."

True. It drives me nuts the absolutely ridiculous things that people will believe.

 

[IndigoChild5559]

Kind of like Stephen Hawkins assertion that something came from nothing. No proof, no nothing.

I'm not an expert on the Big Bang, but I know that those who ARE experts agree that there was a time before matter came into existence.

 

[Polymath257]

But without God, abiogenesis is impossible.

Prove this. The science suggests otherwise. So what wonderful data do you have that shows it wrong?

And since there are living things, God must have created them.
End proof.

Bad assumptions make the argument fail.

 

[YoursTrue]

I have never met any such person. How would such a person explain cells existing in the singularity at the beginning of the Big Bang?

The same way Stephen Hawkins figured the universe came from nothing. Why not?

 

[YoursTrue]

Prove this. The science suggests otherwise. So what wonderful data do you have that shows it wrong?

Bad assumptions make the argument fail.

Bad assumptions? You mean about abiogenesis? And about what was the first living thing on the earth? Or you mean that without God life wouldn't be on the earth?

 

[Polymath257]

No; there are some who believe the cell may have always existed.

Who? There were no cells before carbon was formed in the first stars. There were no cells on earth until it cooled enough for liquid water.

 

[Polymath257]

Very good! Ok I amend that...on the earth living things did not exist until they did exist.

So they existed on earth first. Can you prove this?

 

[YoursTrue]

Who? There were no cells before carbon was formed in the first stars. There were no cells on earth until it cooled enough for liquid water.

So the first stars formed carbon. Is that what you mean? The rest I won't even go into.

 

[YoursTrue]

So they existed on earth first. Can you prove this?

I think you did not understand. So I will rephrase the question.
Was living matter always on the earth? Let's see your hypothesis.