Brian2
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If another God did arise, how would anyone know? Nobody can even prove the God that exists exists.
Making your presence known in the here would help.
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The Cause without a Cause
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Making your presence known in the here would help.
Saying “arising” indicates a beginning, right?
God had no beginning, no “arising”.
He’s always existed.
Is there something else we know of that has always existed? Yes. Energy.
According to science, energy can “neither be created nor destroyed”.
Fact or Fiction?: Energy Can Neither Be Created Nor Destroyed
This law of conservation of energy means that energy has “always existed”, in some form or another.
So science has discovered the way that God has “always existed”. Although we have not discovered that form of energy which God is.
So the “Big Bang” did not violate, or defy, this “conservation of energy” Law, this law of thermodynamics, by ‘creating matter’; God just used His energy — this pre-existing energy — to create our universe.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
It would sure help the atheists.
Aupmanyav
Be your own guru
It is not the Bahai belief if God and humans are different. Advaita Hinduism posits that Brahman alone exists and nothing other than it exists. It is stark non-duality.
No space for God or prophets / sons / messengers / manifestations / mahdis.
That is the current view. Who knows about future?
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God, of course. [He] hates competition ─ just read the garden story, Genesis chapters 2 and 3.
So how long have you known Liz Truss would be Brit PM in 2022?
firedragon
Veteran Member
Uncaused cause does not mean God is not a cause. Based on your own philosophical statement above, God is the cause. Thus something uncaused cannot logically come about without God because God is the cause. You jumped from cause to nothing is responsible for God's existence. Its a false leap. Based on your own statement, God is responsible. Not nothing.
Anyway this is a philosophical assertion. One small part of a big argument. It's not logical to say that an eternal being had a beginning. That statement is an oxymoron.
@Sgt. Pepper , @George-ananda , and quite a few others here on RF have not only experienced but also interacted with invisible intelligent entities. (You could call these “powerful beings.”)
There are just too many other incidents that rational-thinking people were unexpectedly involved in, which transcend materialism. Here’s a very short sampling:
Lincoln's ghost - Wikipedia
Barry Taff Parapsychologist
The incidents surrounding the R-101 disaster, and researched by Mr. Archie Jarman.
https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/enfield-poltergeist
Etc., etc., etc…..
If you don’t think so, then explain by natural methods the events and interactive experiences that these ones have been willing to reveal.
Why would rational-thinking people including President Theodore Roosevelt, Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Sir Winston Churchill, posters on RF like Sgt Pepper & George-ananda, those with Ph.D’s like Psychologist Taff, Queen Wilhelmina of the Netherlands, & innumerable others, individually expose themselves to ridicule from naysayers, if these weren’t genuine events they underwent? And some continue to encounter?
Granted, not every unexplained event can or should be classified as a demonstration of a powerful entity; but discount and ignore all of them?
That’s too naïve.
Brian2
Veteran Member
If science has not investigated and said it is spirits, to an empiricist, it is nothing but anecdotes.
Sgt. Pepper
All you need is love.
Yes, I have, and I've spent months posting about my personal experiences in both my own threads (see here as an example) and comments in other threads (see here as an example). As a medium and a sensitive, I don't just declare that I have a connection with the spirit world and stop there. I've spent the last fifteen years studying and researching the paranormal as well as traveling around the country to investigate various haunted locations. I've accumulated tangible evidence of my encounters with the use of cutting-edge ghost hunting equipment, and numerous people I've met in person have attested to my evidence and to my capacity to interact and communicate with human spirits. As I said in this thread, the reason why I post on RF about my abilities and start threads about my investigations is so that I can give other people who don't have these abilities the chance to experience what I see. It's that simple.
And as I've said before, I don't post about my abilities or my experiences with the paranormal in an effort to persuade skeptics and win them over to my point of view. I learned that it's pointless and a total waste of my time to debate and argue with skeptics online because they will not change their mind unless they're genuinely convinced after experiencing something paranormal firsthand for themselves, and they are unable to logically debunk their experience. As far as I'm concerned, people can accept or reject what I say about my experiences as a medium and a paranormal investigator. It's entirely their decision. Any religious objections to my abilities or any doubt about whether they are real or not won't change the reality that I've lived with them all my life and I refuse to suppress them again in fear of what other people will think. I've learned to accept and embrace my abilities after many years of being in denial.
Well done.
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samtonga43
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I'm with Anselm; God is ‘that-than-which-nothing-greater-can-be-thought.’
But why on earth (or as the case may be) would the ghost of Lincoln want to hang around the White House at all? I could understand the ghost of Donald Trump unable to wake from its dream of being President, but Abe?
I can remember times when (a lot younger than now) I've had the creeps (including one where I turned and ran) but that's not the same thing as seeing or hearing or otherwise detecting spooks via the senses.
RestlessSoul
Well-Known Member
You are asking us to accept the possibility that life is no more than “a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing”. Of course that’s perfectly possible, but it’s a bleak prospect and I see no value in adopting it.
wellwisher
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Energy is connected to space-time where space and time are connected. All photons of energy have connected wavelength and frequency, the product of which is proportional to the speed of light; space-time and wavelength times frequency are of the same realm.
Consider the scenario where space and time are not connected and each variable can act independently of each other. In such a realm there can be no photons of energy since we would have only wavelength not connected to frequency, and frequency not connected to wavelength. There are no connected pairs needed to define energy. Zero point energy would be transient and only instantaneous where independent time and space briefly cross paths.
If you look at the human imagination, it is not limited to space-time. The matter of the brain is limited to space-time, but the manipulation of information in the imagination is not. I can fly to moon by flapping my arms in my imagination, since information is not limited to space-time. This cannot happen in space-time and physical reality, but it can describe things where space and time are not connected; outside the laws of physics.
If God was part of the realm where space and time were not connected, he could move in space without the constraint in time, and/or move in time without the constraint of space. The former is classically called omnipresence, while the latter is classically called omniscience, which are classic attributes of God. The old timers had a good sense of space-time and separated space and time.
It is from the human imagination that all innovation arises, were humans invent and conjure ideas that are not yet part of space-time. In this realm where space and time are not connected, cause and affect do not apply, since connected cause and affect is connected to space-time. Where space and time can both be independent of each other, the first can become the last, and the last can become the first. Monotheism came after polytheism based on human history, yet is was also the first. It is a very esoteric place where the laws of physics are invented and exceeded.
Brian2
Veteran Member
Did Anselm say that?
I'd add as well that it's not logical to say an eternal being is real.
It seems quite usual to describe God in terms of imaginary qualities ─ omnipotent, omniscient, perfect, infinite, eternal. Like brainstorming a new Marvel hero.
I'd settle for a credible description of a real god, one found in the world external to the self, rather than only in one's imagination. Wouldn't that make a lot more sense?
Colt
Well-Known Member
God is the source of subordinate Gods, but the first source and center inhabits the circle of infinity, so it is the only possible source of anything.
Hermit Philosopher
Selflessly here for you
My answer would be that “God” is all there is and that things exist and occur in “God”.
Other gods would exist as [worldly] concepts, also in “God”.
Humbly,
Hermit
samtonga43
Well-Known Member
God became incarnate in Christ. No need for a messenger.