The Challenge in the Qur'an

[Zhakir]

Whether we think you're stupid or not,surely you all lose this challenge.

 

[England my lionheart]

LOL,what challenge,the one issued 1400 years ago or the challenge of finding out what the challenge is,who is the Judge,what is the criteria,in what language,do we use just Arabic or can we throw in some foreign words,oh no we have'nt lost any challenge as there is no challenge to take.

 

[Zhakir]

LOL,what challenge,the one issued 1400 years ago or the challenge of finding out what the challenge is,who is the Judge,what is the criteria,in what language,do we use just Arabic or can we throw in some foreign words,oh no we have'nt lost any challenge as there is no challenge to take.

No need to repeat as these comments have been replied to.Search this thread.
But one thing you can't find is a sura like any thing of the Noble Qur'an.:yes:
17:81
"Truth has now arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is by its nature bound to perish."

 

[Breathe]

Zhakir, could you elaborate more on 17:81, please?
When it says falsehood has perished, what exactly does it mean? That an age of ignorance has gone? That false religions have gone? Both/neither/more?

 

[England my lionheart]

No need to repeat as these comments have been replied to.Search this thread.
But one thing you can't find is a sura like any thing of the Noble Qur'an.:yes:
17:81
"Truth has now arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is by its nature bound to perish."

I guess what you are really saying is you have'nt got a clue either just like the scholars or your average Muslim,thats ok many people promote thing they don't understand but its just not very honest is it.

Mary had a little Lamb,she put it in a Bucket,and everytime the Lamb got out the Bulldog tried to put it back again

 

[kai]

No need to repeat as these comments have been replied to.Search this thread.
But one thing you can't find is a sura like any thing of the Noble Qur'an.:yes:
17:81
"Truth has now arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is by its nature bound to perish."

its all relative though! because we can find a Sura like but you cant can you? its against your religion .

 

[YmirGF]

Whether we think you're stupid or not,surely you all lose this challenge.

Of course we will lose the challenge (and gain the Hellfire for our efforts) because the challenge is rigged towards failure to begin with. Is this hard to comprehend?

 

[kai]

Of course we will lose the challenge (and gain the Hellfire for our efforts) because the challenge is rigged towards failure to begin with. Is this hard to comprehend?

to a Muslim who believes the Quran is the inimitable word of God and that it is totally impossible for man or jinn to produce a sura like it?

yes !very hard indeed to even let oneself comprehend.

 

[Zhakir]

Zhakir, could you elaborate more on 17:81, please?
When it says falsehood has perished, what exactly does it mean? That an age of ignorance has gone? That false religions have gone? Both/neither/more?

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It can be used in many cases.In our case here,these people are even discussing subjects as silly as the so called "Grammer errors" in Qur'an to frustrate it, though standerd Arabic is Qur'an's dialect and its rules have been taken from the Qur'an,claims as silly as "indigenous americans came to america in 600 B.C" trying to meet the challenge with there books.
18:56
But the unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as fact that they are warned!
21:36
If only the Unbelievers knew the time when they will not be able to ward off the fire from their faces, nor yet from their backs, and when no help can reach them!.

Of course such claims are always and easily disproven because falsehood is bound to perish Allah says in
21:18
We hurl the Truth against falsehood, and it knocks out its brain, and behold, falsehood doth perish! Ah! woe be to you for the false things ye ascribe (to Us).
When it happens Allah (swt) asks Muhammad (saws) and the Muslims to clearify the reality of falsehood.
34:49
Say: "The Truth has arrived, and Falsehood neither creates anything new, nor restores anything."
17:81
And say: "Truth has now arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is by its nature bound to perish."

 

[Sola'lor]

Sorrt then this challenge is for those who claim that quran is made up,to prduce a sura like by humans,Not what you claim is God's this would mean you're saying Quran is God's Which i hope you do.
First that Book fails to pass the test due its errors that show that joe smith didn't receive from god but rather wrote himself.
Muhammad (saws) is the Final messanger,as Allah said in the Quran (and said in the Injeel sent to jesus (pbuh) that Ahmed will be sent.And we consider Bahu'allah and joe smith (this doesn't even believe in the Quran) liers and will be sent to Hell and are this is what happend when they died.

What errors are you talking about?

 

[Fatihah]

Ok I've decidied I'm going to take up the Quran Challenge. What are the points I have to hit on? As far as I know all I have to do is write a Sura like it. So does that mean I have to write an entire book or just one sura? How long does the Sura/book have to be? How will I know if what I've written meets the Quran Challenge and the Muslims everywehere will reject the Quran(if I can do it ofcourse)?

Response: In an effort to not have to jump from thread to thread, I've decided to answer your question here and hopefully the moderators will join the other to this one. As for the challenge, I'll explain it again with the following:

" It is a common response that everytime this challenge is stated, someone responds with something like, "can you produce something like Shakespere or a symphony like Beethoven? If not, does this mean that they are prophets of God?"

So before the thread is filled with those type of responses, let me explain further. The challenge is to produce a chapter "like" the qur'an. Therefore, it does not mean to simply write something in arabic and think you've accomplished something. What is the qur'an? Well what is any religous scripture? It is supposed to be inspiration from God. It's purpose is to inspire people to follow its teachings. So to produce a chapter like the qur'an means to produce a chapter as inspirational and as successful as the qur'an.

So what's the purpose of that? Well by doing so, you learn the miracle of the qur'an. And what is that miracle? The miracle is the following:
It is impossible for a person/s to create their own religion and use their made up religion to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation.

This is the miracle of the qur'an. This is the miracle of Muhammad. This is a challenge for those who claim that the religion of islam is man made as well as the qur'an. Muhammad used a religion to inspire enough followers to conquer a nation. So to those who claim that this was the act of a man made religion, then why don't you do the same? Why don't you create your own religion and see how far you get? And when you do, you will fail. Not only will you will fail, you will fail miserably. Muhammad conquered Arabia. I guarantee you, you won't even be able to conquer your own neighborhood. And once you fail, you will be forced to ask yourself the question "why was it possible for Muhammad but impossible for me and anyone else?" That is when you will come to realize that it was the help of Allah that made it possible for Muhammad. Without Allah, even Muhammad would have failed. You disagree, the 1400+ year challenge still stands."

 

[Fatihah]

Thank you for the reply,
As stated to the other poster, I believe Satan does have the scientific knowledge to write such a book. As such, it should be considered that all supernatural books are written by Satan, so that by testing it that way we can find out if it is from God or Satan.
I don't like the idea of ruling Satan out without first testing.

What can you offer to affirm to me this is not written by Satan?

Response: Due to the simple fact that you have no evidence that Satan did write the qur'an, nor does anyone else, is the necessary assurance that saying that it is from satan is illogical. Secondly, the handiwork of Satan should be something evil. There is nothing but purity in the qur'an, thus knocking Satan out of the equation.

 

[McBell]

Response: Due to the simple fact that you have no evidence that Satan did write the qur'an, nor does anyone else, is the necessary assurance that saying that it is from satan is illogical. Secondly, the handiwork of Satan should be something evil. There is nothing but purity in the qur'an, thus knocking Satan out of the equation.

But you have not yet proven that Satan did not write the book, therefore it must be accepted as fact that that the Koran was written by Satan.

Of course now I suspect you will start back-peddling really really fast.

I mean, is it not you who have repeatedly stated that unless proven false, a statement is true?

 

[McBell]

Response: Due to the simple fact that you have no evidence that Satan did write the qur'an, nor does anyone else, is the necessary assurance that saying that it is from satan is illogical. Secondly, the handiwork of Satan should be something evil. There is nothing but purity in the qur'an, thus knocking Satan out of the equation.

YOU are the one who repeatedly states that the one making the statement need not show anything to support their statement.
That their statement is fact until it is proven wrong.

The statement was made that Satan wrote the Koran.
This statement is FACT because you have not proven it wrong.

So like you with claiming the koran is from allah and that you do not have to prove it is from allah because it is from allah until proven otherwise, the statement that Satan wrote the koran needs no evidence to support it, because it is on you to prove that that satan did not write the koran, just like it is on everyone else to prove that allah was not behind it.


Isn't hypocrisy a ***** when it comes back around and bites you in your own arse?

 

[Fatihah]

But you have not yet proven that Satan did not write the book, therefore it must be accepted as fact that that the Koran was written by Satan.

Of course now I suspect you will start back-peddling really really fast.

I mean, is it not you who have repeatedly stated that unless proven false, a statement is true?

Response: The fact that you couldn't refute anything I just stated is proof enough that it's not from Satan. Otherwise, you would have been able to do so.

 

[McBell]

Response: The fact that you couldn't refute anything I just stated is proof enough that it's not from Satan. Otherwise, you would have been able to do so.

the fact that you can not refute anything I stated means that the Koran was written by Satan.
Otherwise you would have been able to refute me.
Your inability to refute my words PROVES that Satan wrote the Koran..

 

[Fatihah]

[QUOTE Mestemia]YOU are the one who repeatedly states that the one making the statement need not show anything to support their statement.
That their statement is fact until it is proven wrong.(End Quote)

Response: Then if I've made such a statement, repeatedly as you say, than surely you can quote any post of mine saying such a statement. I'm waiting.

(Quote Mestemia)
The statement was made that Satan wrote the Koran.
This statement is FACT because you have not proven it wrong.(End quote)

Response: Post 652 proves to the contrary.

(Quote Mestemia)
So like you with claiming the koran is from allah and that you do not have to prove it is from allah because it is from allah until proven otherwise, the statement that Satan wrote the koran needs no evidence to support it, because it is on you to prove that that satan did not write the koran, just like it is on everyone else to prove that allah was not behind it.


Isn't hypocrisy a ***** when it comes back around and bites you in your own arse?[End quote)

Response: Sure, if I've said such things, but I haven't. These are the invented words you want to bestow in my mouth.

 

[Fatihah]

the fact that you can not refute anything I stated means that the Koran was written by Satan.
Otherwise you would have been able to refute me.
Your inability to refute my words PROVES that Satan wrote the Koran..

Response: Post 651 proves to the contrary.

 

[Just_me_Mike]

The point here is that Muslims claim supernatural wrote the Quran. It is agreed among Muslims and Christians that Satan is supernatural.
I simply say that Satan's objective is to subtly draw people from the truth, so as humans seeking for God, we should make sure what we are reading is not a subtle diversion from the truth.

If you ignore this logic, that is your choice. I am simply saying it is possible, and should be considered. I also bring this logic to the bible as well.

If both were written by God it will stand the test I am presenting. If you run from my suggestion though, it shows me you are afraid and not willing to put the Quran to the test.

 

[Sola'lor]

Does it have to be in Arabic? Wouldn't it be better to use the language of the Nation that is to be conquered?