The Debate of God.

[godnotgod]

My post about the Carpenter had an obvious point.

...which was....what?

And you suggest I go talk to rocks.....

On second thought, you had best listen. You don't know the language of rocks yet. Here's a sample for you to digest:

The Iron Stone

A long wind a weaving mind
Over all the land the wild flowers grow,
Echoing kind to kind
On that day when I found the iron stone
Heavy in my hand in the sloping rain
Ever the seas rolled on and o'er my heart
They roofed their slates of grey

The iron stone I found it on that day

The iron stone I brought it home
Heavy in my hand I brought it home
Black as the thoughts of doom
A man told me it came from the moon
Flying through time it flew
Upon the long beach where I found it
Dancing horses told their tale
Among the stones it called me
There my hand it knew
Seeing in the thickness of the thick black sight
Forests and centaurs and gods of the night
Never that sun shone on
Where high Atlantis raised her shores
How sang the dragons of the sea

Love paints the carts with suns for wheels
The jester's bauble, cap and bells
The brave, perhaps, Mustachio
Sir Primalform Magnifico
The dragon me with golden toes
And golden fire my flaming nose
And memories, memories

My cave was bright with sulky gems
That paled the stars like diadems
Silver lost and buried gold
Such was my home in days of old.

Incredible String Band

NOW the full extent of your intellect is revealed.

When you learn to commune with nature, yours, too shall be revealed. Until then, it's just do as you're told.

...like a dead leaf on water.

A leaf on water is very much alive, effortlessly dancing to every undulation of the waves. Can you do that without stiffening up and losing it?

 

[Curious George]

...which was....what?



On second thought, you had best listen. You don't know the language of rocks yet. Here's a sample for you to digest:

The Iron Stone...

I prefer

A Shropshire Lad

XL


[SIZE=+1] INTO my heart an air that kills
From yon far country blows:
What are those blue remembered hills,
What spires, what farms are those?

That is the land of lost content,
I see it shining plain,
The happy highways where I went
And cannot come again.[/SIZE]

 

[Thief]

...which was....what?



On second thought, you had best listen. You don't know the language of rocks yet. Here's a sample for you to digest:

The Iron Stone

A long wind a weaving mind
Over all the land the wild flowers grow,
Echoing kind to kind
On that day when I found the iron stone
Heavy in my hand in the sloping rain
Ever the seas rolled on and o'er my heart
They roofed their slates of grey

The iron stone I found it on that day

The iron stone I brought it home
Heavy in my hand I brought it home
Black as the thoughts of doom
A man told me it came from the moon
Flying through time it flew
Upon the long beach where I found it
Dancing horses told their tale
Among the stones it called me
There my hand it knew
Seeing in the thickness of the thick black sight
Forests and centaurs and gods of the night
Never that sun shone on
Where high Atlantis raised her shores
How sang the dragons of the sea

Love paints the carts with suns for wheels
The jester's bauble, cap and bells
The brave, perhaps, Mustachio
Sir Primalform Magnifico
The dragon me with golden toes
And golden fire my flaming nose
And memories, memories

My cave was bright with sulky gems
That paled the stars like diadems
Silver lost and buried gold
Such was my home in days of old.

Incredible String Band





When you learn to commune with nature, yours, too shall be revealed. Until then, it's just do as you're told.




A leaf on water is very much alive, effortlessly dancing to every undulation of the waves. Can you do that without stiffening up and losing it?

Recital is not rebuttal....step up.
Or at least be mature enough to step aside.

Still can't bring yourself to draw and line and stand ground?
And you put on as if you know something.

It's not about you...it's about God.

Take a stance and speak of your Creator.

 

[godnotgod]

Recital is not rebuttal....step up.
Or at least be mature enough to step aside.

Still can't bring yourself to draw and line and stand ground?
And you put on as if you know something.

Your position clearly indicates that it is YOU who know nothing, as to 'draw a line and stand ground' indicates a God with whom you take 'sides' with, and who also takes a side, all of which smacks of an immature mind. Yours is the pagan god of warfare to whom soldiers prayed, and who imagined championed them on the battlefield. The modern version is the one who vanquishes 'Sin' and 'Evil', chooses the 'worthy', and condemns the 'unworthy', in a system of Reward & Punishment, in which the imaginary 'winners' are those who gain entry into a contrived heaven where all is rosy and good.....that is, until someone decides to take over and gets ousted with his band of rebels, starting the cycle all over again, and round and round you go ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

What it all boils down to is the ego wanting to perpetuate itself in some imaginary realm where it can be eternally stroked in adulation of itself, by hiding that fact in projecting itself onto a 'Supreme Being'.

It's not about you...it's about God. (see what I mean?)

Take a stance and speak of your Creator.

Sheath your sword, sit down and LISTEN.

 

[godnotgod]

I prefer

A Shropshire Lad

XL


[SIZE=+1] INTO my heart an air that kills
From yon far country blows:
What are those blue remembered hills,
What spires, what farms are those?

That is the land of lost content,
I see it shining plain,
The happy highways where I went
And cannot come again.[/SIZE]

Uh, no rock?

 

[Thief]

What it all boils down to is the ego wanting to perpetuate itself in some imaginary realm where it can be eternally stroked in adulation of itself, by hiding that fact in projecting itself onto a 'Supreme Being'.

Sheath your sword, sit down and LISTEN.

I've been listening...and completely patient.

You just have this.....knowing more than you attitude'.

You're not all that.

And if you had the 'gift' you claim to be your own....
you would've conceded long before now.

 

[Curious George]

Uh, no rock?

The rock is a shadow my friend. perhaps, there never was a rock.

 

[godnotgod]

I've been listening...and completely patient.

You just have this.....knowing more than you attitude'.

You're not all that.

I've never claimed any of that; the perception is all yours. Now think about why you think what you do. Therein lies your answer.

And if you had the 'gift' you claim to be your own....
you would've conceded long before now.

Conceded what? I am not the one contending in a position of either 'for' or 'against', so what is there to concede? YOU are the one whose God is taking sides, and who takes sides with your God. YOU are the one pushing your doctrine of 'standing up' and 'drawing lines' and all the rest of that militant poppycock.

Give me something authentic to concede to, and I will gladly capitulate. So far, I have seen nothing but saber-rattling and posturing, with no substance. You never answer questions; you don't know the meaning of simple scriptural passages; it is you who refuses to concede the clever workings of your ego in its pursuit of spiritual pride, and how it sets itself up to deserve the reward of a heaven while condemning the unworthy (all in God's name, of course).

Instead of choosing to discuss the material I have presented, for some strange reason you choose instead to attack me. If you are intending to discredit me, then the best way of doing that is to discredit my material.

 

[godnotgod]

My post about the Carpenter had an obvious point.
And you suggest I go talk to rocks.....

Is that so far-fetched? Moses struck rock with his staff in the desert causing water to gush forth.

The Carpenter himself is referred to as the Living Rock.

So yes, go talk to a rock.

 

[Thief]

I've never claimed any of that; the perception is all yours. Now think about why you think what you do. Therein lies your answer.



Conceded what? I am not the one contending in a position of either 'for' or 'against', so what is there to concede? YOU are the one whose God is taking sides, and who takes sides with your God. YOU are the one pushing your doctrine of 'standing up' and 'drawing lines' and all the rest of that militant poppycock.

Give me something authentic to concede to, and I will gladly capitulate. So far, I have seen nothing but saber-rattling and posturing, with no substance. You never answer questions; you don't know the meaning of simple scriptural passages; it is you who refuses to concede the clever workings of your ego in its pursuit of spiritual pride, and how it sets itself up to deserve the reward of a heaven while condemning the unworthy (all in God's name, of course).

Instead of choosing to discuss the material I have presented, for some strange reason you choose instead to attack me. If you are intending to discredit me, then the best way of doing that is to discredit my material.

The Lord God Almighty as quoted...."I AM!"

The topic is about God.

 

[godnotgod]

The Lord God Almighty as quoted...."I AM!"

Where do you get any 'Lord God Almighty' quoting 'I AM'? In fact, where do you get any 'God' at all?

I do seem to recall a certain Jewish mystic named Yeshu saying something akin to that, however. Is that what you are referring to?

The topic is about God.

Yes?....and......?.....C:\.....

 

[Thief]

Where do you get any 'Lord God Almighty' quoting 'I AM'? In fact, where do you get any 'God' at all?

I do seem to recall a certain Jewish mystic named Yeshu saying something akin to that, however. Is that what you are referring to?



Yes?....and......?.....C:\.....

So you're just hanging out on a thread about God....
And you don't really believe in anything?
(isn't that called trolling?)

The quote at hand is old testament.
I thought you were well versed....maybe not.

 

[godnotgod]

So you're just hanging out on a thread about God....
And you don't really believe in anything?
(isn't that called trolling?)

What does God have to do with belief?

The quote at hand is old testament.
I thought you were well versed....maybe not.

What 'quote at hand'? You haven't quoted anything! Show me chapter and verse.

 

[Thief]

What does God have to do with belief?

Really?

What 'quote at hand'? You haven't quoted anything! Show me chapter and verse.

And Moses did ask.....
'They will want to know whose law this is...what shall I say?'

'Tell them...'I AM'....and they who understand will know whose law this is.'

Do you understand?

 

[Orias]

And Moses did ask.....
'They will want to know whose law this is...what shall I say?'

'Tell them...'I AM'....and they who understand will know whose law this is.'

Do you understand?

Sounds like Kepher.

 

[Curious George]

Sounds like Kepher.

Kephri?

 

[godnotgod]

And Moses did ask.....
'They will want to know whose law this is...what shall I say?'

'Tell them...'I AM'....and they who understand will know whose law this is.'

Do you understand?

No.

I will grant that the biblical God spoke this to Moses, but that is only a belief that cannot be verified. However, what CAN be verified is one's own divine nature, which is 'I AM'. So, to return to the issue at hand, no, there is nothing to capitulate to. Why? Because I maintain no position of defense or offense as you do. I have no doctrine to defend which must be surrendered to an external 'Almighty God'.

Do you understand?

 

[Orias]

Kephri?

No, Kepher (or Xeper, Xepher). It is a Setian saying, and English translation of the Egyptian scarab which means "I am come into existence", or "I am", or "Become".

 

[George-ananda]

I am simply going to use this thread as a means to discuss the existence of God with anyone. I am constantly discussing this with people, and feel I should have a main thread to post on.

If anyone wishes to argue that god (or whatever deity you believe in) is true, I have questions ready. Thank you.

Wow, I can't believe how long this thread is. I want in on the debate.
Let me start from the OP.

I'll take the argument that God is real. In fact, I'll even take the argument that God alone is real and all else is illusion.

The philosophy I find most worthy is non-dual Hinduism (Advaita Vedanta). In a nutshell, God alone is real. The universe is a grand thought-form of God, into which he temporarily individualizes his conciousness in innumerable forms. In the end, these individual forms self-realize what they really are and the grand illusion dies for them. All returns to undifferentiated oneness and a new cosmic cycle begins.

Why does God do this? The answer may be above us but I think the best answer is that this an expression of his creative aspect. This temporary universe is somehow better than some infinite static-state equilibrium.

Why do I believe in Advaita Vedanta? From my study of the supernatural and mostly from my reflections on the teachings of the great eastern (Indian) masters.

Why do I think these so-called masters know what they're talking about? Well I don't know how to put years of study and reflection into a nutshell here. Anyone seriously interested in this subject, would have to be willing to invest time and thought. At first it was all over my head, but something deeply certain in me felt,
'this is it dummy, persevere to understand. This is the best truth we can give you. And you asked us to help you know the truth,'

How do I know, the help with my quest was not all in my head? There is no objective evidence I can give myself or the skeptics. One thing I can say is that I'm now a man very contented and secure in my beliefs.

 

[godnotgod]

Why does God do this? The answer may be above us but I think the best answer is that this an expression of his creative aspect. This temporary universe is somehow better than some infinite static-state equilibrium.

Direct and immediate experience of the natural world demonstrates a world of great and infinite variety. The consciousness responsible for such great variety would certainly be one of a creative impulse. But what seems even more provocative is the idea that the Infinite Consciousness dwells within all its manifested forms, and is playing the cosmic game of Hide and Seek with itself, deliberately forgetting its own divine nature, and pretending to be the temporal forms which it inhabits.

"...and the Word became Flesh, and dwelt amongst us."