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The Debate of God.

godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
KeeperofSecrets said:
:rolleyes: Hmmm false ego's. LOL! I really liked what your saying. However my own belief in a creator does not seperate anything but connects it to a oneness. Meaning that even the dirt is special. Is that what you are trying to protray?;)
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Perhaps I should have used the term 'fraudulent nature' to describe the machinations of the ego in portraying itself as authentic.

If everything is special, then nothing is special.

'When nothing is special, everything can be', to borrow a phrase from Stephen Batchelor.

Is this 'creator' entity you believe in the Christian version?
 
Prophet

Prophet

breaking the statutes of my local municipality
I am liable to do some groaning when people start speaking of Oneness with dirt. :p If I'm a little rough on anyone here, please forgive me.

Oneness is pretty nonsense when understood in a physical context, often causing its new age adherents to claim Oneness with a physical object in our planet earth, misunderstanding the Scriptures, never once understanding that Oneness is only reached when you see through the physical illusion that all sentient beings are mirror images of yourself.

Oneness is to see yourself in everyone, loving without condition or exception, and coming to know yourself truly. And when you know yourself truly, you will no longer trouble yourself with proofs of God's existence because you will be lost in the beauty of the design, seeing for the first time how God is in all of us, held dormant by our insane selfishness, disguised from us by our egos, waiting eons of lifetimes for us to discover our birthrights as Sons and Daughters of God.

Know yourself, and you will know the Truth, and the Truth will set you free.
 
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Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
godnotgod said:
If you had been paying attention, you would have noticed that I repeatedly have stated that Enlightenment is Nothing Special and available to all. It is not an exclusivist club where only a few are 'chosen' while the vast majority are condemned. If Enlightenment is available to all, then it is a UNIVERSAL view, not a personal one.


The 'point', Thief, is in the experience of Man in the Present, not in the past or some imaginary future, just as the point of each individual and unique snowflake is in its present manifestation. Life in the Present is the delight of their existence. To go on forever in their present form and manifestation would be a living death. Dance the dance of life now and don't worry about 'death'.

The 'last breath' means nothing if Man does not live each breath consciously now.

If you take a closer look, you will find that 'your' breath is not your own. While the swinging door that is the breath may cease at death, the consciousness it is about is the consciousness of the Infinite.
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I might agree that chemistry needs to change form to be chemistry.
Chemistry that fails to change form is ineffective...inert.
Life in chemistry without reaction, would not function...at all.
But even so...all chemical reactions play out.

As you can see...life in chemistry...fails.
Life in spirit might continue.

That last little part I might also agree to.
Consciousness of the Infinite would be eternal.
I suspect life after death to be eternal.
 
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godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Thief said:
I might agree that chemistry needs to change form to be chemistry.
Chemistry that fails to change form is ineffective...inert.
Life in chemistry without reaction, would not function...at all.
But even so...all chemical reactions play out.

As you can see...life in chemistry...fails.
Life in spirit might continue.
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You're still seeing double. You differentiate the physical vs. the spiritual. There is no such distinction in reality. There are not two worlds. There is only one world, and this is it. Even the smallest particle is the divine consciousness vibrating in the cosmic dance of life.

That last little part I might also agree to.
Consciousness of the Infinite would be eternal.
I suspect life after death to be eternal.
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This present moment right in front of you is eternity, and you need'nt suspect anything. Why wait until death to partake of it?
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
godnotgod said:
You're still seeing double. You differentiate the physical vs. the spiritual. There is no such distinction in reality. There are not two worlds. There is only one world, and this is it. Even the smallest particle is the divine consciousness vibrating in the cosmic dance of life.

That last little part I might also agree to.
Consciousness of the Infinite would be eternal.
I suspect life after death to be eternal.

This present moment right in front of you is eternity. Why wait until death to partake of it?
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Not seeing double.
There is only one reality.
I am here now to learn all that I can before I return to God.

I was made to be unique.
This linear existence insures I will be.

Denial is nothing but dust.

btw your quoting technique is crossing over and mixing my words with yours.
a third party might be confused.
spot the quote brackets as you go.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Thief said:
Not seeing double.
There is only one reality.
I am here now to learn all that I can before I return to God.
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If there is only one reality, why are you and God separate?

What good will your learning be compared to what God has given you, apriori?
I was made to be unique.
This linear existence insures I will be.

Denial is nothing but dust.
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You have the same human and divine natures that everyone else does, only each of us have slight temporary twists here and there.

btw your quoting technique is crossing over and mixing my words with yours.
a third party might be confused.
spot the quote brackets as you go.
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I don't see any crossing over.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
godnotgod said:
If there is only one reality, why are you and God separate?

What good will your learning be compared to what God has given you, apriori?
You have the same human and divine natures that everyone else does, only each of us have slight temporary twists here and there.

I don't see any crossing over.
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I made the corrections as I quoted.

And otherwise....I do anticipate a 'crossing over'.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Thief said:
I made the corrections as I quoted.

And otherwise....I do anticipate a 'crossing over'.
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Would you mind just answering the questions?

If reality is one, where is the separation you speak of between you and God?

re: 'crossing over':

One day a young man on his journey home, came to the banks of a wide river. Staring hopelessly at the great obstacle in front of him, he pondered for hours on just how to cross such a wide barrier. Just as he was about to give up his pursuit to continue his journey he saw a great teacher on the other side of the river. The young man yells over to the teacher, “Oh wise one, can you tell me how to get to the other side of this river”? The teacher ponders for a moment looks up and down the river and yells back, “My son, you are on the other side”.:D
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
godnotgod said:
Would you mind just answering the questions?

If reality is one, where is the separation you speak of between you and God?

re: 'crossing over':

One day a young man on his journey home, came to the banks of a wide river. Staring hopelessly at the great obstacle in front of him, he pondered for hours on just how to cross such a wide barrier. Just as he was about to give up his pursuit to continue his journey he saw a great teacher on the other side of the river. The young man yells over to the teacher, “Oh wise one, can you tell me how to get to the other side of this river”? The teacher ponders for a moment looks up and down the river and yells back, “My son, you are on the other side”.:D
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Cute story...lots of flaws....irrelevant.

How about....when you die you die alone.
Taking someone with you?

No one waiting for you?
Might as well believe you are already dead.

You do quote the Carpenter now and then?
'Let the dead bury the dead'.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
ben d said:
What on earth are you talking about?

Can you please answer the question with honesty as to your understanding of what and who you truly are?
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How about we go back to the topic...and talk about God?
This thread is rather lengthy already.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Thief said:
Hence this linear existence...and learning to speak.
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What and who is learning to speak?

This is the best advice that can be offered, find out what and who you are...then there is nothing left to do!

Cheers and all the best...:namaste
 
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Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
godnotgod said:
How can you speak intelligently unless you first know your own nature?

You say you live and die. But who is it that does so?
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Each one of us....separately...and assuredly.
I believe in life after death.
I will go on.

And you would continue otherwise?
And all these copies of a form that can only produce a spirit...(with the ability to speak)...is altogether an illusion?

Billions of people sharing the illusion of breath?
Each one suspecting something greater when it ends.....
 
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