The Debate of God.

[Ben Dhyan]

Come now godnotgod, scripture from all religions use allegory, metaphor, simile, parable, figure of speech, analogy, etc.,...the reality is forever on the other side of these rhetorical devices which are used as an expedient to 'point the way',..it is up to the disciple as to apprehend or not.

Btw, digressing, here is a little mystical saying that is not easily apprehended by most..

If you die before you die, when you die you do not die!

To make sense of it,...!st you refers to ego, 2nd and 3rd you refers to the mortal body, and the 4th you is the Self realized soul.

 

[godnotgod]

Come now godnotgod, scripture from all religions use allegory, metaphor, simile, parable, figure of speech, analogy, etc.,...the reality is forever on the other side of these rhetorical devices which are used as an expedient to 'point the way',..it is up to the disciple as to apprehend or not.

Fine, as long as they are not taken literally....

Unfortunately.....

 

[Gui10]

Well please tell who or what is the infallible source that defined this flawless definition of the unknowable God?

You are correct that the word "god" is used widely, but you know what,...there wouldn't be two people in existence whose conceptual interpretation of any definition of the reality that the word "God"is meant to represent that is exactly the same.

Yes but the problem we have with debating is that we put the word ''god'' in our sentences as if it were an clear and simple object. Its the use of the ''word'' ''god'' that bothers me, not what people conceptualize it as.

From what I understand, the question that this thread poses and debates is: ''Does god exist?''

In this manner, how can we argue if ''god'' exists if none of us are talking about the same ''god''? Know what I mean?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

In this manner, how can we argue if ''god'' exists if none of us are talking about the same ''god''? Know what I mean?

You are saying the same thing, when people talk about 'god', they generally have a personal mental concept of what it actually represents,..yes?

 

[Gui10]

You are saying the same thing, when people talk about 'god', they generally have a personal mental concept of what it actually represents,..yes?

Yes.

And I know where you're giong with this, and I understand your point.

You are right that there obviously can't be one right deffinition if we all have deffinitions of our own.

HOWEVER, I think its important to differentiate them in order to communicate properly.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Yes.

And I know where you're giong with this, and I understand your point.

You are right that there obviously can't be one right deffinition if we all have deffinitions of our own.

HOWEVER, I think its important to differentiate them in order to communicate properly.

Sure, speaking for myself, once I understand where they are coming from, I generally try and use their 'language' to communicate and see if their mind can apprehend the possibility of a reality beyond their present conceptual belief.

 

[Gui10]

Sure, speaking for myself, once I understand where they are coming from, I generally try and use their 'language' to communicate and see if their mind can apprehend the possibility of a reality beyond their present conceptual belief.

Precisely! Right along with you on that one. :bow:

Now, this being said. Do we care to debate about what three letter word ''god'' means? (Precisely in the Thread's Title; ''The Debate of God.'')

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Precisely! Right along with you on that one. :bow:

Now, this being said. Do we care to debate about what three letter word ''god'' means? (Precisely in the Thread's Title; ''The Debate of God.'')

Hmmm,.."debate about what three letter word ''god'' means?"

Let's see how that works, you tell me what it means to you for a start,...ok?

 

[F0uad]

I think defining god can only be looked into how we attribute him most of the rest is beyond or comprehensions.

 

[F0uad]

i believe that every where is god

This makes no sense do you also belief that God is there when your in the bathroom or toilet?
Or do you belief that God can see and know everything?

 

[apophenia]

This makes no sense do you also belief that God is there when your in the bathroom or toilet?
Or do you belief that God can see and know everything?

Why would god not be there when you are having a crap in the toilet ?

 

[Thief]

Come now, Thief. Now you're clutching at straws, with no ground to stand on.

You were not there with Moses to verify the authenticity of any so-called 'burning bush'. For all anyone knows, it was a hallucination or a dream, or worse, a real burning bush interpreted as a 'sign from God', with embellishments added as time went on.

...like the talking fish story...

...or the Tower of Babel story..

...or the water into wine story...

...or the resurrection and ascension story....

virgin birth, parting the Red Sea, raising from the dead, Johah's whale, ad nauseum.....

Maybe it all took place on the Good Ship Lollipop, eh, where Invisible Pink Unicorns danced into the night, and a good time was had by all....:biglaugh:

'Burning bush': again a PHYSICAL reference to describe the SPIRITUAL

And your basic approach to call all things illusion is valid?
having spoken as you just did?

 

[godnotgod]

And your basic approach to call all things illusion is valid?
having spoken as you just did?

The world is impermanent and in constant flux. How would you describe something which exhibits those characteristics?

 

[Klerkie]

I personally do not believe in the Abrahamic god. However, there may be a possibility of multiple or a single much less powerful deity like thing.

 

[RogerTheAtheist]

there are about 6 billion people who believe in God. if your questions are honest and sincere i'd like to hear them.

The number of people that believe in a claim doesn't affect whether or not it's true. Everyone might have once believed that the Earth was flat, but we now know that it's not. Believing that it was flat didn't make it flat.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

The number of people that believe in a claim doesn't affect whether or not it's true. Everyone might have once believed that the Earth was flat, but we now know that it's not. Believing that it was flat didn't make it flat.

True Roger, but for the sake of completeness, it's equally true that the number of people that don't believe in a claim doesn't affect whether or not it's true.

 

[RogerTheAtheist]

True Roger, but for the sake of completeness, it's equally true that the number of people that don't believe in a claim doesn't affect whether or not it's true.

Of course.

 

[McBell]

The burning bush was a spiritual experience for Moses...no doubt.

And your complaint of my lack of definition is false.
Any third party reading this can see the point.

You on the other hand refuse to be cornered....declaring all of this as illusion

This third party sees you going to great lengths to avoid answering a direct question.

It is interesting how you stall and cannot answer such a simple question.

How do you determine that something is spiritual?

 

[Thief]

This third party sees you going to great lengths to avoid answering a direct question.

It is interesting how you stall and cannot answer such a simple question.

How do you determine that something is spiritual?

I like definition no8 in Webster's....
highly refined in thought and feeling.

 

[McBell]

I like definition no8 in Webster's....
highly refined in thought and feeling.

So you do not have an answer to the question?
Interesting development given your one track mindedness of which came first drills....