The Debate of God.

[godnotgod]

You can't be nuetral and profess to be wise.

No one is professing wisdom here. All I am saying is that I lean neither to the left nor to the right; that I neither believe, nor not-believe.

Anyone can apply such word paly to take such stance in anyform.

Standing in-between belief and non-belief is not word-play, nor is it any particular stance. It is non-stance. You don't understand that because you are attached.

You are confusing technique with wisdom.

Exactly what occurs when you take up a position! You think to do so is a sign of wisdom, but it is exactly the opposite: ignorance.

You've been fooled!:slap:

 

[Thief]

No one is professing wisdom here. All I am saying is that I lean neither to the left nor to the right; that I neither believe, nor not-believe.



Standing in-between belief and non-belief is not word-play, nor is it any particular stance. It is non-stance. You don't understand that because you are attached.



Exactly what occurs when you take up a position! You think to do so is a sign of wisdom, but it is exactly the opposite: ignorance.

You've been fooled!:slap:

You're just fooling yourself.
A 'non' position stance?
In a debate?

And 'you' then claim 'I' don't understand!

 

[godnotgod]

You're just fooling yourself.
A 'non' position stance?
In a debate?

And 'you' then claim 'I' don't understand!

There is the position 'for' and the one 'against', as well as the one that takes neither; the one that sees the other two for what they are.

Is that so difficult to understand? Maybe it is!

PS: You take up a position that there is an afterlife based only on belief, and then act accordingly, without knowing for certain whether it is true or not. That is what we normally call 'gambling', 'sport', or 'chance' with what is considered by many to be THE single most crucial issue in life: our final destiny. This is what happens when you allow fear to rule your decisions, though it may seem right to you.

 

[Thief]

There is the position 'for' and the one 'against', as well as the one that takes neither; the one that sees the other two for what they are.

Is that so difficult to understand? Maybe it is!

PS: You take up a position that there is an afterlife based only on belief, and then act accordingly, without knowing for certain whether it is true or not. That is what we normally call 'gambling', 'sport', or 'chance' with what is considered by many to be THE single most crucial issue in life: our final destiny. This is what happens when you allow fear to rule your decisions, though it may seem right to you.

Poor assumption on your part.

In all fairness though.....for lack of 'proof'.....
My belief is said to be an assumption.

But of course, my assumption is better than yours.

btw....I am not afraid.

 

[godnotgod]

Poor assumption on your part.

In all fairness though.....for lack of 'proof'.....
My belief is said to be an assumption.

But of course, my assumption is better than yours.

That won't matter one bit if you jump and there's no water in the swimming pool.

btw....I am not afraid.

Of course you're not, Thief...of course you're not!

 

[atanu]

So you think God and the devil are just playing around?
No such thing as consequence and suffering?

If anything denotes individual existence...pain and suffering.

The creation is not an illusion or a lie.
It is real.

Have you done that experiment 'I' suggested?
Bang your head on the wall til you bleed.....then say its not real.

Thief
How do you understand the following?

He is before all things, and in him all things have being. Colossians 1.17

 

[Thief]

Thief
How do you understand the following?

He is before all things, and in him all things have being. Colossians 1.17

Placing Spirit first.
It stands to reason.....in mind and heart....Someone had to be First.

That First of All, would then speak the first of all pronounciations.

"I AM!"

From that pronoucement comes forth all things......the 'uni-verse'.
The one Word.

 

[atanu]

Placing Spirit first.
It stands to reason.....in mind and heart....Someone had to be First.

That First of All, would then speak the first of all pronounciations.

"I AM!"

From that pronoucement comes forth all things......the 'uni-verse'.
The one Word.

Then what remains of individuals?

 

[steeltoes]

I am simply going to use this thread as a means to discuss the existence of God with anyone. I am constantly discussing this with people, and feel I should have a main thread to post on.

If anyone wishes to argue that god (or whatever deity you believe in) is true, I have questions ready. Thank you.

I decide if God exists or not and I have no questions at this point.

 

[godnotgod]

I decide if God exists or not and I have no questions at this point.

Could God be you pretending to decide if God exists or not?

 

[steeltoes]

Could God be you pretending to decide if God exists or not?

No need to pretend, it's simply up to me. If he does exist he has exactly the same beliefs and morals as I have, because he has no choice in the matter of what he is or even if he is.

 

[godnotgod]

No need to pretend, it's simply up to me. If he does exist he has exactly the same beliefs and morals as I have, because he has no choice in the matter of what he is or even if he is.

Exactly why he might pretend to be something other than who he really is, complete with morals and beliefs, to the point that YOU are actually God, but do not know it, because he is playing the ultimate game of cosmic Hide and Seek in your form.

'You', who only THINK you are creating him, are, in fact,he, (or IT) who (that) is 'creating' YOU.

But the idea of God you create is not the authentic God that is creating you.

God is not defined by mental acrobatics and whims.

'YOU' don't actually exist.

There is no 'need' to pretend; it's just recreation on God's part.

 

[Thief]

Then what remains of individuals?

So you are assuming there is only one Spirit?
indeed!

We were made to become individual spirits.
Your body and your linear existence insures it.

The tool of form is the body....the result is your spirit.

There is no mystery to life.
Man was created to be companion in spirit.

Why use this form instead of direct spiritual creation?

Direct action would be an exact copy.
God would end up talking to Himself.

After several eons of such action...speaking would have little meaning.

This life insures a fresh perspective.

 

[atanu]

So you are assuming there is only one Spirit?
indeed!

We were made to become individual spirits.
Your body and your linear existence insures it.

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OMG. Man, we have an instruction called 'manana', which means masticate the scriptural saying.

He is before all things, and in him all things have being. Colossians 1.17

He alone was. So, the material of so called souls is Him and all souls are Him.

I will cite a parallel, and if that does not illuminate, then I will let it pass. I will understand that this is not for you.

Gita

10.20 Ahamaatmaa gudaakesha sarvabhootaashayasthitah;
Ahamaadishcha madhyam cha bhootaanaamanta eva cha.
10.20. I am the Self, O Gudakesha, seated in the hearts of all beings! I am the beginning, the middle and also the end of all beings.

...

 

[godnotgod]

He is before all things, and in him all things have being. Colossians 1.17

He alone was. So, the material of so called souls is Him and all souls are Him.

"One light, though the lamps be many"

 

[Thief]

OMG. Man, we have an instruction called 'manana', which means masticate the scriptural saying.

He is before all things, and in him all things have being. Colossians 1.17

He alone was. So, the material of so called souls is Him and all souls are Him.

I will cite a parallel, and if that does not illuminate, then I will let it pass. I will understand that this is not for you.

Gita

10.20 Ahamaatmaa gudaakesha sarvabhootaashayasthitah;
Ahamaadishcha madhyam cha bhootaanaamanta eva cha.
10.20. I am the Self, O Gudakesha, seated in the hearts of all beings! I am the beginning, the middle and also the end of all beings.

...

He was alone.
That's why He made us.

No matter how large the container.....if you are alone....
you are in solitary confinement.

 

[godnotgod]

He was alone.
That's why He made us.

No matter how large the container.....if you are alone....
you are in solitary confinement.

You are saying that the Absolute is relative. 'Alone' here means that there is no 'other'. That is why it can be called the Absolute. It does not mean something separate from something else; there is no 'something else'.

The Absolute did not 'make' anything; it already IS everything. If you don't understand this, then your mind thinks some 'other' had to be 'created'. You are not seeing correctly.

 

[atanu]

He was alone.
That's why He made us.

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Made us of what?

For your information, the Vedic teaching is : 'Lord willed "let me be many"'. There must be something equivalent in all religious scripture.

 

[KidatHeart]

Made us of what?

Imagination sprung to life.

 

[godnotgod]

Imagination sprung to life.

God is a magician, who creates everything out of nothing?