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The Debate of God.

godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Gui10 said:
Nonsense at it's best.
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What is nonsense is to think that first and last are polar opposites distinct from one another. In reality, they define one another. To be first you are dependent upon what is last. To be a winner, you are dependent upon the loser. It is a single event in which you are at one with both....and neither. It is neither because it is recognized that you cannot be one without the other. To say: 'I am [both] the Alpha and the Omega' is the view from that of the Absolute, not the relative. From the relative point of view (ie; 'duality') it appears nonsense to say that one is both, but the relative point of view is illusory, and therefore, nonsense.

The beginning is the end, and vice-versa. Beginingless, causeless universe. Dig it.
 
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Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
If you were a person who knew already what decisions you would make tomorrow, you wouldn't be able to change your future. You would be a slave to your own foreknowledge. If you tried to change it, and were able to, then your foreknowledge was wrong. But if you knew that you would change your decision even though you also knew that you had first made another decision and you make the other choice... now you're slave to that knowledge. And so on... For God to have Free Will and have prescience, his knowledge is that he can and will make all possible decisions for eternity, but then, if he must choose all decisions possible, what's the free will in that? And knowing all possible choices and knowing all will be chosen, then foreknowledge isn't worth anything.
 
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Regarding the existence of god; there are too many arguments against him that I can't seem to refute, and I've never heard an argument for him that I couldn't easily refute.. That's why I'm an atheist.
 
atanu

atanu

Member
Premium Member
Introvert said:
Regarding the existence of god; there are too many arguments against him that I can't seem to refute, and I've never heard an argument for him that I couldn't easily refute.. That's why I'm an atheist.
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:)

That I am sure is God's trick. After all, how do you argue? Using whose intelligence?
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Introvert said:
Regarding the existence of god; there are too many arguments against him that I can't seem to refute, and I've never heard an argument for him that I couldn't easily refute.. That's why I'm an atheist.
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Heh...heh....heh....now, have you considered the possibility that you are God poker-facedly pretending to be an atheist to the point that you have clean forgotten your God-nature?

Of course! God has made the game of Hide and Seek well worth the candle.:D:cool:
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
Here's a proof for ya'.

Lift your hand up infront of you. Turn it around. Look at the back of your hand, then your palm. What caused the event? What is the First Cause of your hand turning? You! You are God. Tada!
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
Introvert said:
Regarding the existence of god; there are too many arguments against him that I can't seem to refute, and I've never heard an argument for him that I couldn't easily refute.. That's why I'm an atheist.
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Try cause and effect.
Creator and creation.

Start at the singularity.
 
godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Ouroboros said:
If you were a person who knew already what decisions you would make tomorrow, you wouldn't be able to change your future. You would be a slave to your own foreknowledge. If you tried to change it, and were able to, then your foreknowledge was wrong. But if you knew that you would change your decision even though you also knew that you had first made another decision and you make the other choice... now you're slave to that knowledge. And so on... For God to have Free Will and have prescience, his knowledge is that he can and will make all possible decisions for eternity, but then, if he must choose all decisions possible, what's the free will in that? And knowing all possible choices and knowing all will be chosen, then foreknowledge isn't worth anything.
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It is for these reasons that the divine nature has not only created the cosmic game of Hide and Seek in which he becomes thoroughly involved to the point of forgetting his own divine nature, thinking he really is the the atom, the star, the plant, the rock and all else, including you and I, but has also created the element of surprise, so that he does not know what comes next.
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
godnotgod said:

It is for these reasons that the divine nature has not only created the cosmic game of Hide and Seek in which he becomes thoroughly involved to the point of forgetting his own divine nature, thinking he really is the the atom, the star, the plant, the rock and all else, including you and I, but has also created the element of surprise, so that he does not know what comes next.
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That's why God became us. :)
 
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godnotgod

godnotgod

Thou art That
Ouroboros said:
I probably would go further:

God became the world. God became plants, then animals, and then humans, so now God can finally see him/herself.
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Actually, it is more accurate to say that God only manifests the world, as the world is illusory. But then God does something very peculiar: He becomes lost in the forms of the world, and forgets his divine nature, playing Hide and Seek with himself. God does not remember himself until He awakens from his sleep in Identification with all the forms he is playing.
 
Ouroboros

Ouroboros

Coincidentia oppositorum
godnotgod said:
Actually, it is more accurate to say that God only manifests the world, as the world is illusory. But then God does something very peculiar: He becomes lost in the forms of the world, and forgets his divine nature, playing Hide and Seek with himself. God does not remember himself until He awakens from his sleep in Identification with all the forms he is playing.
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Good one too.

Another:
God is the dreamer, dreaming The world as it unfolds. God, the future observer, that causes the final collapse of superpostion states of the quarks, and reality becomes.
 
Thief

Thief

Rogue Theologian
godnotgod said:
It is for these reasons that the divine nature has not only created the cosmic game of Hide and Seek in which he becomes thoroughly involved to the point of forgetting his own divine nature, thinking he really is the the atom, the star, the plant, the rock and all else, including you and I, but has also created the element of surprise, so that he does not know what comes next.
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And 'you' include 'yourself' and 'I'....in this illusion?

And all of God's creation is a lie?
 
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