the definition of cuckod between the Westerns and Muslims

[Godobeyer]

what is the goal/reason to let your wife kissed and dancing and drunk with forgien men ? I was drunk on my wedding day? wow, I did not realise that, I stuck to fizzy apple that day so I would remember every detail until my husband and I went to the honeymoon suite to have champagne. that your usual excuse (drunk ) Yep, I'm not only a cheat, I'm a raving alcoholic, join me? lol. Dancing and "hello/congratulations" kisses have nothing to do with being drunk or cheating. If someone wants to cheat, they will, they do not need any alcohol to "make" them cheat. But I am so glad you have been there to tell me that it is my usual excuse as I really cannot remember those times. What were you doing in the same place as I was kissing and dancing anyway?
the drinking is forbiden , i refuse your invitation
is that did not heal their ( p***s ) because of that ? I am sure i would do . I'm not sure what you mean by this? Please explain.let me be honest mre the penis had two situation , wake,sleep ,the dancing will heal the penis . Maybe that is the way you think, my husband is not healed by dancing are you sure ? did you ask him before to know if he or not ?. I wont go into our sex life though. I'm sure the last thoughts on my wedding guests minds while dancing with me or kissing me were their penis, especially since they are family. this is not normal what happened to your males

is that did not give a approtonity to the wife to regert that choose quickly her husband ? No actually, I have been with my now husband for just under 10 years, no quick choosing involved. I am sure that there are , but it's your propre exprience Please explain, I am not understanding?
I mean sometimes when someone marry without love ,maybe in the weding day he will see beautiful girl ,(beauty than his wife ) , he will regret that he make fast decision to marry his wife . (instead of that beautiful girl ) ,i mean that beautiful girl that he meet in the weding he love her beauty and regret to marry his wife because of that "beautiful girl
if i kiss a wife of someone , that give me the right to let my wife kissed by the husband of that wife ? Not if you are jealous you wont, but if you are secure in your relationship, why would you think your wife being congratulated would lead to her cheating?yeah , I am agree with you trust help,but, i did not give the approtonity to a gaz touch the fire , then i regret why it's exploise , i am sure that many wife or girlfriend break up the relation because she falled in love with someone alse (his friend ) Probably due to lack of trust and a controlling husband.no even i trust my wife i will give her red line to don't cross it , for exemple , even i trust my wife i will never let her work in strip club or adultery house ...etc , i mean i don't show your money (or gold) to thiefs than if they steal you stay blaming your self .
you think that it's maybe we will see that some one let his wife make sex with someone , because he did the same thing with his wife (exchange sex dating ) ? Sex and kissing are two different things, not all kisses lead to sex. I kiss my dad to say hello when I see him (kiss on cheek before you are appalled again) but there is no way it would lead to sex. Just as the congratulations kisses from friends and family would never lead to sex. Same as "hello, nice to meet you" kisses wouldn't. I am not talking a kiss family (father , brother ...etc) ,I am talking about a kiss to forgien person especialy in parties or weding or bars (special places ) Ahh you mean when I said about "happy new year", it is custom here to wish someone happy new year as it is in France to greet someone with a kiss on each cheek.
yeah maybe you will meet him again in bar in france then you drunk with him , then he took you to his place , then he kiss you privelty there , then you cheated your husband because just one honest kiss in a road.



I hope that clear up my point .

 

[Gjallarhorn]

I think it needs more colors, and perhaps some large font sizes.

 

[Godobeyer]

Yes it is, but I can still follow if you want to respond to each point. That is irrelevant if I/he did or did not, we hadn't met and doesn't come into our relationship since we met, any sexual activity with another is in the past. You cannot call if anyone has sex before marriage/or previously in their lives cheating. What happens in the case of divorce? Should those people not remarry and have sex? Should they remain single?

in my religion sex without mariage is one of two adutlery or cheating.
when the wife made sex with forgien man , it's made adutlery and cheating

and for us the virgin girl when she make sex with someone ( out of mariage) ,she cheating/betrayed her family , because they put trust in her .

 

[Godobeyer]

I think it needs more colors, and perhaps some large font sizes.

that's what i told to Enlighten

 

[Enlighten]

the drinking is forbiden , i refuse your invitation

I didn't invite you, I was asking what you were doing there to know?

are you sure ? did you ask him before to know if he or not ?

100% sure, it is no business of mine what he did/did not do sexually before we met, he did not commit a crime if he did have sex with another woman. I met him and built the relationship from that point, not due to whether he had sex before.

this is not normal what happened to your males

Really? That they can dance with a female without becoming sexually aroused? That family members don't think of their family members as sexual objects? I don't see anything wrong with that.

I mean sometimes when someone marry without love ,maybe in the weding day he will see beautiful girl ,(beauty than his wife ) , he will regret that he make fast decision to marry his wife . (instead of that beautiful girl ) ,i mean that beautiful girl that he meet in the weding he love her beauty and regret to marry his wife because of that .

Who married without love? What defines beauty? I would say someone who marries without love is marrying for the wrong reason and should not marry. So no argument there hence, I am now married.

no even i trust my wife i will give her red line to don't cross it , for exemple , even i trust my wife i will never let her work in strip club or adultery house ...etc , i mean i don't show your money (or gold) to thiefs than if they steal you stay blaming your self .

You can't trust her if "I wont let" comes into the equation. People who work in strip clubs don't necessarily cheat or have sex with men.

yeah maybe you will meet him again in bar in france then you drunk with him , then he took you to his place , then he kiss you privelty there , then you cheated your husband because just one honest kiss in a road.

Why do I need to keep getting drunk?? If I am out on a business trip in France, due to work then normally to meet colleagues they will greet me with a kiss on both cheeks, should I give them a slap when it is their culture? Isn't that disrespectful of someones culture? And no, I have never felt the need to cheat because someone kissed my cheek, not sure where "privately" there is, but certainly I have never felt that desire to cheat.

Hopefully this is easier to respond to

 

[Draka]

in my religion sex without mariage is one of two adutlery or cheating.
when the wife made sex with forgien man , it's made adutlery and cheating

and for us the virgin girl when she make sex with someone ( out of mariage) ,she cheating/betrayed her family , because they put trust in her .

And again, if having sex is cheating, and kissing and dancing are not having sex, then they are not cheating. Therefore, if your wife kisses or dances with another man she is not cheating and you are not cuckold. Logic, it's a wonderful thing when used.

 

[Enlighten]

I think it needs more colors, and perhaps some large font sizes.

Voice of reason, but i disagree with the font size

 

[Godobeyer]

I didn't invite you, I was asking what you were doing there to know?

thank you anyway

100% sure, it is no business of mine what he did/did not do sexually before we met, he did not commit a crime if he did have sex with another woman. I met him and built the relationship from that point, not due to whether he had sex before.

ok if he and you dancing in bed room he will heal or not ?
edited: btw i am not doctor

Really? That they can dance with a female without becoming sexually aroused? That family members don't think of their family members as sexual objects? I don't see anything wrong with that.

I am just imagine dancing with my fiance , it's wake up.

Who married without love? What defines beauty? I would say someone who marries without love is marrying for the wrong reason and should not marry. So no argument there hence, I am now married.

here many people married without love . they love each other after the weding .

You can't trust her if "I wont let" comes into the equation. People who work in strip clubs don't necessarily cheat or have sex with men.

oh , don't tell that your man will let you work in strip , or strip because he trust you ?

Why do I need to keep getting drunk?? If I am out on a business trip in France, due to work then normally to meet colleagues they will greet me with a kiss on both cheeks, should I give them a slap when it is their culture? Isn't that disrespectful of someones culture? And no, I have never felt the need to cheat because someone kissed my cheek, not sure where "privately" there is, but certainly I have never felt that desire to cheat.

did you see the movie call "taken " , i required it to you .

Hopefully this is easier to respond to

my argue will never stop don't worry

 

[Kerr]

aww I make you cheat no .
don't cheat please

I am pretty sure she is not that serious .

 

[Kerr]

don't tell pregnate elephant ?

Wow, I am really good at using a computer... for being an elephant, that is .

ok if you want to make sex don't kiss ,
I am not sure if you will marry , you will let your wife go to dance club with a forgien man at 21:00 ? and she back to you at 02:00 am ?

I will marry if I find the right woman. And I would probably let her go, because if she is the woman of my dreams I can trust her completely. If she would betray that trust then I would divorce her or something.

this clain i will make it as reference
awwwwww; they just make sex after and before the mariage :run:

What is so important about marriage? My parents where together for maybe 30-40 years before they got married. By then they had already had me.

for exemple ,when the wife did not jeolous for his wife ,if some one make sex with her

Do you mean that he should be jealous of she cheats? Sorry, dont entierly understand what you meant there

 

[Sunstone]

Godobeyer, it seems to me that women who have been raised up relatively sheltered from males are relatively easier to have sex with than women who have been raised up relatively less sheltered from males. When I was young, it seemed the girls most likely to agree to casual sex were girls who had gone to all girl's schools, girls who had been home-schooled away from the boys, or even girls who had gone to school with boys, but who had been taught by their parent's to keep their distance from boys. At the time, I guessed the reason the sheltered girls were easy to get into bed had to do with their being inexperienced and lacking the confidence to say "no". On the other hand, the girls who had been less sheltered from boys were much more likely to be self-possessed, confident, and to assert themselves.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Kissing in greeting has nothing to do with sex.

Christians kiss each other in church as a sign of peace, some do so on the lips. It is a normal part of the service.

The Anglo-Saxon races are less likely to kiss each other in greeting, but many now do so.
Russian men and women kiss each other fully on the lips. Men in the UK mostly shake hands with each other.

There are many differing cultural norms in the west.

Kissing or Hugging in greeting is normal between friends in the UK and has nothing to do with sex. Nor would a spouse be concerned in any way if it was done,if they were there or not.

It has nothing to do with betrayal, promiscuity, sex, loss of virginity, adultery or an invitation . it does not cause concern, jealousy, anger, loss of face or any other presumed slight.

It is normal friendship between people.

 

[Kerr]

Kissing in greeting has nothing to do with sex.

Christians kiss each other in church as a sign of peace, some do so on the lips. It is a normal part of the service.

The Anglo-Saxon races are less likely to kiss each other in greeting, but many now do so.
Russian men and women kiss each other fully on the lips. Men in the UK mostly shake hands with each other.

There are many differing cultural norms in the west.

Kissing or Hugging in greeting is normal between friends in the UK and has nothing to do with sex. Nor would a spouse be concerned in any way if it was done,if they were there or not.

It has nothing to do with betrayal, promiscuity, sex, loss of virginity, adultery or an invitation . it does not cause concern, jealousy, anger, loss of face or any other presumed slight.

It is normal friendship between people.

Could not have said it better myself.

 

[Looncall]

in my religion sex without mariage is one of two adutlery or cheating.
when the wife made sex with forgien man , it's made adutlery and cheating

and for us the virgin girl when she make sex with someone ( out of mariage) ,she cheating/betrayed her family , because they put trust in her .

No, it is because she is regarded as a commodity.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Originally Posted by Godobeyer
in my religion sex without mariage is one of two adutlery or cheating.
when the wife made sex with forgien man , it's made adutlery and cheating

and for us the virgin girl when she make sex with someone ( out of mariage) ,she cheating/betrayed her family , because they put trust in her .

Kissing and dancing at a wedding have nothing to do with sex. so are not cheating and are perfectly honest acceptable behaviour for anyone.

Wives are not the property of husbands and unmarried girls and men are not the property of their family. (only slaves are property and are certainly illegal)

Both men and women are "individual" and are free under the law and before God equally.

If an unmarried girl chooses to to have sex, she is exactly like an unmarried man who has sex. It is no different and is neither unusual nor illegal, and reflects in no way on their family.

Unmarried sex is called fornication. adultery is the act of a married person. Neither is illegal.
Nor does the sex of the person make any difference.

Adultery is usually harmful to a marriage.

 

[beenie]

Godobeyer, how do you personally feel about a man who has sex before he gets married or outside of marriage? Obviously there has to be a man who is doing all this kissing, hugging, sexing, etc. with these "cuckod" women.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Western culture is different. My wife is not my possession. If she wants to leave me, fine.

I've told her many times that there are better men than me out there, but they would not put up with the likes of her.

My wife and I made a vow to each other. We trust one another until we have reason not to. I value that trust. I do not have to worry all the time about little things.

If she was unfaithful to me, I would find out as would she about me.

Godobeyer, I want to ask you a question. Just because we have an opportunity to be bad, does that mean we will actually go through with this?

Can we not withstand temptation?

If I had to worry all the time about my wife being unfaithful, to me that would imply that she would do something wrong the first chance she got. I don't believe that is true, but it looks that way. Where is the trust?

If I did not trust my wife, I would be rid of her and she me.

I have confidence that I am a good man and no one on earth would treat my wife better than me. I have confidence that she loves me and wants to stay with me only.

 

[Photonic]

Western culture is different. My wife is not my possession. If she wants to leave me, fine.

I've told her many times that there are better men than me out there, but they would not put up with the likes of her.

My wife and I made a vow to each other. We trust one another until we have reason not to. I value that trust. I do not have to worry all the time about little things.

If she was unfaithful to me, I would find out as would she about me.

Godobeyer, I want to ask you a question. Just because we have an opportunity to be bad, does that mean we will actually go through with this?

Can we not withstand temptation?

If I had to worry all the time about my wife being unfaithful, to me that would imply that she would do something wrong the first chance she got. I don't believe that is true, but it looks that way. Where is the trust?

If I did not trust my wife, I would be rid of her and she me.

I have confidence that I am a good man and no one on earth would treat my wife better than me. I have confidence that she loves me and wants to stay with me only.

Well, the thing is, many of the abrahamic faith sects say that no, you have no ability to resist and the only way you can is to appeal to God to stop it.

 

[Enlighten]

ok if he and you dancing in bed room he will heal or not ?
edited: btw i am not doctor

Dancing in our bedroom is not something that usually takes place. If it did, I'm not sure what type of healing it would have to be honest, I am no doctor either but I think that if healing is required then perhaps best call one . On a serious note, what does dancing in private with my husband got to do with dancing with him in public, two completely different things. Same as dancing with my huband is different from dancing with my father, brother, uncle, they are different people, different dances.

I am just imagine dancing with my fiance , it's wake up.

Oh noooo, don't imagine! Too late..... lol. I don't think it's dancing you are imagining.

here many people married without love . they love each other after the weding .

Many here marry with love, they meet, fall in love and get married. Love is in the equation from the beginning. I am not saying two people cannot fall in love after marriage but it simply is not my preferred route, I want to know someone before I commit my life to them. (certainly would like to know if they believe in "love slap" before marriage so I could :run. Look at the experiences, true experiences of where females on this forum have fallen victim to abusers, do you think they should have stayed with their abuser who "love slapped" them?

oh , don't tell that your man will let you work in strip , or strip because he trust you ?

I don't know, he has no reason to "not allow" since he trusts me. I don't work in that field so cannot comment. But if we take into account again what someone (Draka I think) told you earlier in this thread, her friend works in a strip club. She is not a prostitute, she does not sleep around. She is a confident, outgoing woman who is completely in control of what she does. (Draka - if it was your friend, I hope I have remembered it correctly, feel free to correct me)

did you see the movie call "taken " , i required it to you .

Are you really wanting to go down that route with movies again? I think you are in danger of seriously offending some members here. Again, this is a movie, not real life, just a movie for entertainment purposes. Not all men in Paris/France, kidnap, rape and sell women into the sex trade. I have tried to explain to you before there is a massive difference between real life in the west to what the movies potray.

my argue will never stop don't worry

And neither will mine, I really wish you would read and take on board what others are trying to tell you on here. I have shown you a link to show that what you believe the Qur'an to be telling you conflicts the Qur'an itself as well as what the Phrophet taught.

 

[Draka]

I don't know, he has no reason to "not allow" since he trusts me. I don't work in that field so cannot comment. But if we take into account again what someone (Draka I think) told you earlier in this thread, her friend works in a strip club. She is not a prostitute, she does not sleep around. She is a confident, outgoing woman who is completely in control of what she does. (Draka - if it was your friend, I hope I have remembered it correctly, feel free to correct me)

She isn't a dancer anymore. She used to work in a "Men's club" some years back. She had some health problems and had to have surgeries so could not continue to do that type of work. But, she was definitely not a prostitute. She was a dancer. Regardless of what some may think, it is not the same.