Godobeyer;2736186ok said:Good friends are as good as (sometimes better than) family, so why is that wrong?
You may do one day, only just don't beat her.
I'm not quite sure I know what you mean with the text I have changed to blue, please can you explain again? IF I did something that my husband deemed to be wrong then I would love and respect him more by talking to me about it, if he slapped me then he would be packing his bags and thrown out for that. In most cases, actions speak louder than words, in this case taking action (slap) yes speaks very loudly of disrespect, but talking .... the words are a very humbling sign of respect, affection and love with willingness to try to resolve an issue while not brushing it under the carpet.
I cannot say, I have not asked him, but he has no reason to object. So I wouldn't think he would. I have a job that fills my days and evening enough without adding another to it. If he wanted to work in a strip bar then why would I object really? I am secure in our relationship, I know 100% he will not have sex with another woman.
i am just joking
Good!
Majority of people on this site are highly educated but yet you don't listen to them, the link I posted to you was from a very highly educated scholar but you choose not to pay attention to them. Can you not see that by translating the verse to mean beat/soft beat (same thing if you ask me) that it is causing a complete contradiction within the teachings of the Qur'an?
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the definition of cuckod between the Westerns and Muslims
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brother Godobeyer I want to remind you of a (hadith)saying of the prophet (peace be upon him)
Abû Hurayrah relates that Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should speak a good word or remain silent
So I advise you to say something of benefit or please don't post because I seriously don't understand what you want to achieve with this thread..if you want to explain to them what Islam thinks about free-mixing you can do that.. eventhough I haven't seen you qoute a scholar or use a hadith or verse..only 'I think and I want..' Islam isn't based on what you want or think Alhamdulilaah(all praise to God)
And please discuss matters without attacking others and without asking 'what if your husband/wife does this or that' ..because what they choose do is not something that should concern you..
Abû Hurayrah (radiyAllâhu 'anhu) who said that Allâh's Messenger said:
"From the perfection of a person's Islâm is that he leaves alone that which does not concern him
Abû Hurayrah relates that Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day should speak a good word or remain silent
So I advise you to say something of benefit or please don't post because I seriously don't understand what you want to achieve with this thread..if you want to explain to them what Islam thinks about free-mixing you can do that.. eventhough I haven't seen you qoute a scholar or use a hadith or verse..only 'I think and I want..' Islam isn't based on what you want or think Alhamdulilaah(all praise to God)
And please discuss matters without attacking others and without asking 'what if your husband/wife does this or that' ..because what they choose do is not something that should concern you..
Abû Hurayrah (radiyAllâhu 'anhu) who said that Allâh's Messenger said:
"From the perfection of a person's Islâm is that he leaves alone that which does not concern him
many people cheating each other by this green light .
I am sure that she will not give me a reason to beat her , because she loves me and respect me and execute my orders and wishs .
I hope i will never beat her because i love her , I hate to beat her or beat anyone
sorry i type mistake it's should be " it's something could not tell , it's something feeling if you fall in love with some one ."
I meant it's something should expert (experience) to know what i mean .
I ask you a question if you husband slap you because you make a phone call to someone he hates , you would passe it or you will ask him to divorce you ?
again "if " he want to strip in club every night (as work ) you will let him ? or ask him to cherche for other job ?
ok are you the first for him ? he lost his virginity with you ? accautly my question is did you accept him work (strip ) ?
for me i am sure if would with 50 women ,stripped and they touch him and seduce ,he will change his mind
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it's not contradiction it's a word "daraba" had many meanings . contradiction if in the same verse we had the oposite sense . without any reason . in that verse it's not the oposite it's a word had many meanings .
I told you most of the scholars with "soft beat ",you told me most of the people in the site !!!!, this people and me with all my respect are not scholars, this forum is not a source"reference " of fatwa for my religion . it's just to exchange our opinion and chating and joking to know we each other .
don't you notice that they did not deny my resource the long post that reply " Hadiths " , for my opinion they will make their faith in the edge .this situation that i don't want to reach it .
no , i am talking about view not faithes , I want to know if some westerns or Muslims accept be in cuckold positions .and how most of the westerns see these wierd/forbiden acts (jobs) in my religion .
faith is not against nationnality or inverse . we had christians in muslim countries and muslims in western countries they just live in their faith there with all respect to other religions and cultures .
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Ad astra!
Wise words.
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ssainhu, it's not about opinion it's about Hadiths , and verse of Quran close to clear . i am very sure it's about "soft beat " but to decent to open the door to other "rare " meanings . and many hadiths confirme the obedience of the wife to her husband .
edited : let's clear the situation here .
-as a Muslimah ,tell me are you with or against these hadiths with confirm the obedience of the wife to her husband ? need short answser plz , with or against ?
i like your "dont"
I am my husband's partner, no need to "obey".
you said this for :
because i am talking about the verse and hadith that order the wife to obey her husband ?
or because i am asking "sex" question ?
if you are against hadiths that oligate the wife to obey her husband that mean you are against God and Prophet Muhammad , because the Hadithes are correct .
and if you are against my "sex" question لا حياء في الدين and my thread need these questions and supposes , to make things clear .
i am not ask you are you obey or not your husband
my question was clear are you against or with "Hadiths " which order the wife to obey her husband .
No my male friends I see as I see my brother, I would not have relations with my brother.
But Allah does NOT permit beating, so why would you?
Yes and that is exactly how us "westeners" fall in love before marriage too, so I do not see the issue of falling in love before marriage?
I would not give him a chance to ask me anything or for him to ask me, once violence enters a relationship it never leaves and that person being violent will always assume they are in control of you. If I made a call to someone he did not like, then so be it, he can express his concern, but a call is not cheating or excuse for violence. As I said before a relationship should be equal and your very religion also tells you that.
Yes I would let him, I already said this, I trust him 100% not to cheat. There is a difference.... in strip clubs they are actually very regulated with security, no touching is permitted, so no cheating involved. If there was then my husband would not do the job. I think you have been watching movies again
I presented you with a scholars work but you reject that, is it because she is female? You have admitted there are many meanings, why do you choose to believe the most harsh of the meanings rather than using reason to establish if Allah meant to beat then he is in complete contradiction with himself. I have saw many people disagree with your posts and "evidence" but you choose not to respond to them. Others have simply after trying to reason with you, created another thread. (I've not gone through that post but I do intend to, from my limited knowledge but I think that there are more qualified than me to do so
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I question the context in which they were said. Scholars spend YEARS studying the meaning and authenticity of Hadith, they don't just post their opinions on a forum.
I am not taking for my self about the "obey"
there are many hadiths
check this out :
It is obligatory on you O Muslim woman to obey your husband in matters of good. Abu Hurairah reported that Allaahs Messenger (
sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam) said: If a woman prays her five (daily) prayers and keeps her private parts chaste and obeys her husband, she will enter Paradise from any of the doors of Paradise she wishes. [Reported by Ibn Hibbaan in his
Saheeh]
Saheeh]
(sallallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:
It is not lawful for a woman to fast while her husband is present unless she has his permission. And she must not allow anyone in his home except with his permission. [Reported by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim]
Also from Abu Hurairah (radiyallaahu anhu), Allaahs Messenger (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:
When a man calls his wife to bed and she does not come to him, and he spends the night angry with her, the angels curse her until the morning arrives. [Reported by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim]
And in the report of Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim, the Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:
By the One in whose Hand my soul is, there is no man that calls his wife to bed and she refuses him, except that the One who is above the heavens is displeased with her until he (the husband) becomes content with her.
From the rights the husband possesses over his wife is that she fulfills the duty of tending to his household and not coming out from it except with his permission. The Messenger of Allaah (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) said:
The woman is the caretaker of her husbands household and she will be questioned as to her responsibility. [Reported by Al-Bukhaaree and Muslim]
Another right he possesses over her is that she fulfills the duties of the household and that she does not make him hire a female servant, which will cause harm and due to which there will be a risk of danger for himself and his children.
Shaikh-ul-Islaam Ibn Taimiyyah (rahimahullaah) said commenting on Allaahs saying:
Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient and guard in the husbands absence what Allaah orders them to guard (i.e. their chastity). [Surah An-Nisaa: 34]:
This mandates the unrestricted obligation of a woman obeying her husband, in all affairs, such as serving him, traveling with him, assisting him and other matters, as is indicated in the Sunnah of Allaahs Messenger. [1]
The great scholar, Ibn Al-Qayyim, said: Those who say that it is obligatory for the woman to serve the husband use (this ayah) as proof in that those who Allaah directed His Speech to (on this occasion) considered this to be from al-maroof (good). But as for the woman relaxing and having the husband serve her, sweep, grind the flour, knead the bread, wash the clothes, fix the bed, and serve the household, then that is from al-munkar (evil).
And Allaah says:
And they (women) have rights (over their husbands) similar to those (of their husbands) over them. [Surah Al-Baqarah: 228]
And Allaah says:
Men are the protectors and maintainers over women. [Surah An-Nisaa: 34]
So if a woman doesnt serve her husband, but instead he acts like a servant to her, then this means that she is the protector and maintainer over him.
He further said: For indeed Allaah obligated him to spend on her, to clothe her and to provide her with a place of dwelling in exchange for his enjoying her and her serving him, as well as what the habits of the spouses call for.
Likewise, the binding marriage agreements require that the spouses live in kindness. And kindness means a womans serving (her husband) and taking care of the inner affairs of the household.
And he said: And there is no difference as to whether the woman is prestigious or lowly, or if she is poor or rich. Just look at this woman who was the most prestigious of women in the world [2]
He is referring to Faatimah (
radiyallaahu anhaa) for she would serve her husband and come to the Prophet (sallAllaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) complaining to him, but he would not complain about her.from
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This seems, to me, like one of the problems of being a moderate in some religions: the religious texts as far as I can tell often contain horrible things: commandments to do awful things, neutrality on awful things (such as mentioning slavery without clearly denouncing it, etc.), and other things of that nature.
Moderate believers have to somehow reinterpret or ignore those relics of a time when the religion was written down when those things were more socially acceptable. It's a strange struggle in my eyes to watch a literalist point that out to a person with a more moderate belief.
I moderate belief but i am not against the hadith صحيح
which mean "credible Hadith " or " correct hadith " which very saint as Quran .
for my opinion, for INSUBORDINATE muslim wife , most of cases the soft beat is better than divorce .