the definition of cuckod between the Westerns and Muslims

[Looncall]

No men and women aren't equal there are natural differences physically and emotionally
Islam regards men and women as equally obliged with regard to many acts of worship and interactions with others. For example, women do (ablution)wudoo’ just as men do, they do ghusl as men do, they pray as men do, and they fast as men do,and there are many other similar cases because women are the twin halves of men as it was mentioned in saheeh hadith attirmidhi 98/113..

Both males and females have similar rewards for obedience and penalties for disobedience in this world and the Hereafter
Allah mentioned in the Quran:
Whoever does righteous acts, whether male or female, while he is a believer, verily, to him We will give a good life, and We shall pay them certainly a reward in proportion to the best of what they used to do (16:97)

Allah also said in the Quran:
Surely for men who submit to Allah and for women who submit to Allah, for believing men and for believing women, for devout men and devout women, for truthful men and truthful women, for steadfast men and steadfast women, for humble men and humble women, for charitable men and charitable women, for fasting men and fasting women, for men who guard their chastity and women who guard their chastity, for men who remember Allah much and for women who remember Allah much, for all of them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a mighty reward. (33:35)

-Women have the same moral obligations and are entitled to the same general rights as men in guarding chastity, integrity and personal honor and respect, etc. No double standards are allowed

-Women are equally qualified and allowed to engage in financial dealings and property ownership. According to Islamic law women can own, buy, sell and undertake any financial transaction without the need for guardianship, and without any restrictions or limitations

-Islam entitles women to the same rights as men in terms of education the prophet (peace be upon him) said:
Seeking knowledge is compulsory for each and every Muslim (i.e. both male and female)

And the list goes on but i'll stop so that you can actually read it and ponder on it and I praise God for giving me high status as a muslimwoman and for giving me a brain to think for myself..

All this sounds fine. Why is it not followed in muslim-majority countries?

Since it is not, I think all this fine sounding stuff counts for nothing at all.

 

[Sakeenah]

All this sounds fine. Why is it not followed in muslim-majority countries?

Since it is not, I think all this fine sounding stuff counts for nothing at all.

did you do a research in all of the muslim-majority countries? ....you do know that saudi-arabia and afghanistan aren't the only muslim majority countries right?

 

[Kerr]

Only??

Nonsense.


In 10 seconds I could see about 50 web-sites that refute this idea.

Men and Women Really Do Think Differently | LiveScience

Pointing out the obvious... again... but men really think differently then other men as well .

 

[nnmartin]

What you're erroneously doing, though, is asserting that such differences are inherent.

Another two facts for you to work on.

these two sound fairly inherent to me - (or perhaps you think culture caused them?)

[from Wikipedia]

At the same time, females have larger Wernicke's and Broca's areas, areas responsible for language processing.[43] Studies using MRI scanning have shown that the auditory and language-related regions in the left hemisphere are proportionally expanded in females versus in males.

Other differences that have been established include greater length in males of myelinated axons in their white matter (176,000 km compared to 146,000 km);[47] and 33% more synapses per mm3 of cerebral cortex.[54] Another difference is that females generally have faster blood flow to their brains and lose less brain tissue as they age than males do.

Are you sure that you don't just wish for us the be all the same or do you really believe we are?

Nothing wrong with differences if you ask me.

 

[beenie]

Why does difference mean inequality? I think men and women complement each other. I'd go on to say that any couple complements each other. Depending on personalities, one person may make up for the other's "weakness". This doesn't mean they're inequal.

...not sure where the idea that difference is a definition of inequality.

 

[Kerr]

Why does difference mean inequality? I think men and women complement each other. I'd go on to say that any couple complements each other. Depending on personalities, one person may make up for the other's "weakness". This doesn't mean they're inequal.

...not sure where the idea that difference is a definition of inequality.

Its not. The issue is when we forget that we are all individuals as well. Like saying "women like pink" and when a woman doesnt like pink she is weird when she is just an individual (bad example, I know).

Personally I am with Meow Mix in that I think that any difference is caused by the environment rather then being inherit, but it is not because I think different means inequal but because I just prefer to look at people as individuals.

 

[Godobeyer]

You don't understand the concept of legal equality. Nobody is saying that men and women are physically equal. The notion of equality between the sexes is that men and women have equal rights -- they have equal say between one another, they have equal ability to get a job, they have equal pay for the same job, etc.

There are no mental differences between men and women. Women deserve the same rights as men even if they have statistically less upper body strength, wouldn't you agree?

I agree , that they are almost equal in rights(we are human) but i am not agree about that we are equal in duty .
some jobs did not required for women because " her physically " or " her degnity " , for exemple mechanic's car or any hard work , or woking as adutler woman (buy her body by hour ) how she will make new generation by this job , what is the view of her kids in the futur , when they discover that their mother was b000h? , this **** jobs for my opinion destroy the society and the definition of family "parents" ....etc

 

[Godobeyer]

I'm not quite sure what this has to do with cuckold?

a cockold , let his wife play football with men
I am joking of course , it's just addition (just Idea jump to my mind )

 

[Godobeyer]

He's arguing that men are superior to women, and therefore must maintain women and our actions. Cuckolds are by definition failing at being husbands by "letting" their women to act how they want. It's apparently the result of this silly mindset called "equality."

Misogyny. It goes great with my stiletto heel planted firmly through an oppressor's foot.

no ,you don't understand my point , Cuckolds are who let his wife discussing or dansing in strip in club or working in adutlery houses , or let her boss invite his wife to his (boss) house (for working meeting night ).... or let his wife wearing underwears in beach to let the people enjoying with her beauty body !!! ....etc
In Islam these acts are done only by cuckolds who don't care if his wife dansing or striping or kissing or made sex ......etc with others men . by the name of freedom and trust !!!!!!

 

[Godobeyer]

Scientific investigations have thrown into question the idea that men and women have different emotional needs. It might be true in practice that women seem more emotional (or "differently" emotional) in many societies, but the scientific evidence shows that such isn't an inherent trait of women but rather a culturally enforced, self-fulfilling stereotype.

For instance, the reason there are more male engineers, mathematicians and scientists isn't because of a difference in the way males and females are able to think but rather because of how their culture treats them and how they're raised.

There are no natural, explicit differences between men and women in terms of intelligence or emotions. In fact, it wouldn't make sense if there were. The only genetic difference between men and women is an X or a y chromosome (even then, more specifically, the SRY gene.) There are no genes inherent to the y chromosome that are known to affect cognitive development differently than girls except in the case of higher prevalence of defects (e.g. autism), but AFAIK only from lacking a copy gene as with color blindness.

As far as sex hormones are concerned, studies find that testosterone makes no cognitive difference in a controlled environment, but can make a difference in social settings -- again, indicating that any perceived male/female mental differences aren't inherent but rather caused by patriarchy-leaning cultures.

Men and women are the same, mentally. Society and stereotypes are where differences come from: the differences are an illusion.

I am sure that we had different emotions , the woman are fast cry , we don't cry utile be beated
how about we are the same in clothes and fashion ? please don't required to men to make make up in their lips

 

[Godobeyer]

No men and women aren't equal there are natural differences physically and emotionally
Islam regards men and women as equally obliged with regard to many acts of worship and interactions with others. For example, women do (ablution)wudoo’ just as men do, they do ghusl as men do, they pray as men do, and they fast as men do,and there are many other similar cases because women are the twin halves of men as it was mentioned in saheeh hadith attirmidhi 98/113..

Both males and females have similar rewards for obedience and penalties for disobedience in this world and the Hereafter
Allah mentioned in the Quran:
Whoever does righteous acts, whether male or female, while he is a believer, verily, to him We will give a good life, and We shall pay them certainly a reward in proportion to the best of what they used to do (16:97)

Allah also said in the Quran:
Surely for men who submit to Allah and for women who submit to Allah, for believing men and for believing women, for devout men and devout women, for truthful men and truthful women, for steadfast men and steadfast women, for humble men and humble women, for charitable men and charitable women, for fasting men and fasting women, for men who guard their chastity and women who guard their chastity, for men who remember Allah much and for women who remember Allah much, for all of them Allah has prepared forgiveness and a mighty reward. (33:35)

-Women have the same moral obligations and are entitled to the same general rights as men in guarding chastity, integrity and personal honor and respect, etc. No double standards are allowed

-Women are equally qualified and allowed to engage in financial dealings and property ownership. According to Islamic law women can own, buy, sell and undertake any financial transaction without the need for guardianship, and without any restrictions or limitations

-Islam entitles women to the same rights as men in terms of education the prophet (peace be upon him) said:
Seeking knowledge is compulsory for each and every Muslim (i.e. both male and female)

And the list goes on but i'll stop so that you can actually read it and ponder on it and I praise God for giving me high status as a muslimwoman and for giving me a brain to think for myself..

thanks for this reply sister .
I just told her , we are equal in right but not in duty .
I mean there are jobs and things required to men ,and other jobs required only for women . for exemple babysister is job required for woman . and bus driver required for men .

back to my thread , what is your opinion for the cuckold in the view of Islam and the view of the western ? what is the main diferent between them? by exemples .

 

[Looncall]

thanks for this reply sister .
I just told her , we are equal in right but not in duty .
I mean there are jobs and things required to men ,and other jobs required only for women . for exemple babysister is job required for woman . and bus driver required for men .

back to my thread , what is your opinion for the cuckold in the view of Islam and the view of the western ? what is the main diferent between them? by exemples .

Nonsense, there is no reason either a man or a woman could not do either job.

As for your question, the main difference is that muslim men regard women as livestock and get upset about things that do not bother civilized men.

 

[Debater Slayer]

Nonsense, there is no reason either a man or a woman could not do either job.

As for your question, the main difference is that muslim men regard women as livestock and get upset about things that do not bother civilized men.

As a Muslim male, I think this is a very wrong generalization.

Please consider carefully what a statement entails before posting it in the future, especially if it's a blanket one such as this.

 

[beenie]

Nonsense, there is no reason either a man or a woman could not do either job.

As for your question, the main difference is that muslim men regard women as livestock and get upset about things that do not bother civilized men.

Your comment and generalization is no different than Godobeyer's.

 

[9-10ths_Penguin]

back to my thread , what is your opinion for the cuckold in the view of Islam and the view of the western ? what is the main diferent between them? by exemples .

In this Westerner's view, a man who needs to resort to physical violence to stop his wife from being unfaithful is more of a cuckold than a man who inspires faithfulness in his wife to the point where he knows he can trust her to embrace or dance with another man without it being a romantic overture.

 

[beenie]

In this Westerner's view, a man who needs to resort to physical violence to stop his wife from being unfaithful is more of a cuckold than a man who inspires faithfulness in his wife to the point where he knows he can trust her to embrace or dance with another man without it being a romantic overture.

Exactly. :clap

 

[Kerr]

I agree , that they are almost equal in rights(we are human) but i am not agree about that we are equal in duty .
some jobs did not required for women because " her physically " or " her degnity " , for exemple mechanic's car or any hard work , or woking as adutler woman (buy her body by hour ) how she will make new generation by this job , what is the view of her kids in the futur , when they discover that their mother was b000h? , this **** jobs for my opinion destroy the society and the definition of family "parents" ....etc

What about the people that doesnt fit into the traditional roles of men or women?

 

[Kerr]

I am sure that we had different emotions , the woman are fast cry , we don't cry utile be beated
how about we are the same in clothes and fashion ? please don't required to men to make make up in their lips

Men dont have different emotions then women, its just that we are taught to handle it differently. Men are expected not to cry. Women are expected to. I remember something my mother has told me. She was a nurse, has worked a lot with children, and when she vaccinated them it was mostly the though guys who fainted. Curious, isnt it.

 

[Godobeyer]

What about the people that doesnt fit into the traditional roles of men or women?

if the tradition dispear, the instinct appaer .the women usualy subission to the men , maybe because we are stronger or becaue her psychique
acualty I see the different ,we are equal just in the right , the duty or the way of living, or jobs required (male/female) NO !!!
if we are told that we are EQUAL in everything , that's make problem in future . maybe we will find the all husbands stay and care at home for babys in house and all the wifes worked out , the duty/job exchanged !!!!

 

[Kerr]

if the tradition dispear, the instinct appaer .the women usualy subission to the men , maybe because we are stronger or becaue her psychique
acualty I see the different ,we are equal just in the right , the duty or the way of living, or jobs required (male/female) NO !!!
if we are told that we are EQUAL in everything , that's make problem in future . maybe we will find the all husbands stay and care at home for babys in house and all the wifes worked out , the duty/job exchanged !!!!

I am not sure how that answer my question. I asked specifically for the people who are not comfortable in the traditional gender roles. Should they be forced to live in a way that they dont like or should they be allowed to follow their heart?

Also, what about people who arent entierly male or female? Like hermaphrodites?