The Division in Christianity

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

True, we can see the division and with the Will of the Father there is unity.

And the disciples of Christ are what helps in the uniting of all mankind.

With the unity of the Divine Spirit as one in being there can be in logic to me.
The General agreement, the agenda to me in the logic is the Will that will never fail in all of eternity as the Eternal Logic of the Divine Will, to me. To me in logic, Manifestation is from the Divine Spirit through the flesh for the soul of the Being in the Body of God becoming one in being.

The unity of the intelligence in Creation to me in logic is what will not fail and has no internal chance of failure because the logic is undefiled with the chance of failure removed.

To me, the logic of The autonomy of The Will of the Father is what allows one, all to stand as justified and self-righteous from mortal and corrupt and sanctified in Baptizm becomming transformed immortal and incorruptible, and through Penance and Sacrifice are Confirmed sanctified in the Face of God for becoming again gloriously Transfigured. The logic to me is all, through the Wondrous Mysteries in the Church from the Faith of Abraham and Isaac, become The Body of God.

Peace always,
Stephen Andrew

 

[blü 2]

No there is not. The thousands of existing denominations proves there is no consensus.

But as a matter of impression, I'd say nearly all of them have various symbols and observations in common. The symbol of the Cross, whether with or without the crucified figure, some or other version of the Last Supper, respect (or at least professed respect) for the NT.

Which reminds me that the daughter of my marvelous old Latin teacher, himself a leading lay Pisco figure, became a Quaker, and that I have no idea how much of that applies to Quakers.

 

[Glaurung]

No there is not. The thousands of existing denominations proves there is no consensus.

That's what I'm rejecting as untrue. Catholicism and Orthodoxy are essentially the same religion split by a political dispute. Traditional mainstream Protestantism largely affirms all the same points about Christ as Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Differences exist but my point is that the notion that historical Christian orthodoxy has been lost as a consequence of these differences is a massive exaggeration. Consider that about half of the world's Christians are Catholic. The people split into countless denominations are a minority.

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

In logic, the only difference is Orthodoxy believes that, while everyone bears the consequences of the first sin, the foremost of which is death, only Adam and Eve are guilty of that sin.

We know it is not God's fault, We know that being flesh, as failed immortal because with choice, we all would have done the same thing.

God said He will always provide the "Chosen" Sacrifice as authority.
In logic, What failed in created love is the fact that Adam gave up on his own authority for the spirit and life of Eve. Failed authority only created the greatest gift, love. Authority is restored in the Old Covenant as the Priestly authority with animal sacrifice and the New Covenant fulfilled priestly authority as Peter in the confession of Jesus is God, as sacrifice, placing him on the Moses seat for all of eternity. And the earthly priestly authority becomes Peter who passes the keys, the authority to the successors of St. Peter, the Pope, the earthly Priestly authority, the handpicked of God and the Vicar of Christ on Earth.

In logic to me, Non Orthodox believe we all would have done the same thing as Adam and Eve, thus creating love only to have it fulfilled by the Faith of Abraham and Isaac through The Christ. Jesus fulfills the failed love from Adam and Eve, the failed Authority and Spirit and Life of failed creation as resurrected Divine Eternal Life and Love all through the Power of the Holy Spirit.

The protestant revolution is another story, and in logic once a protest stops it returns from where it came.

To me, in logic, resolution in division that begins from the failure of Authority becomes resurrected by the Word that became Flesh, The Christ.

In Logic, Everyone by Will return home.

We know we want to keep open the Church for all mankind becoming one in being for all.

Peace always,
Stephen Andrew

 

[Twilight Hue]

That's what I'm rejecting as untrue. Catholicism and Orthodoxy are essentially the same religion split by a political dispute. Traditional mainstream Protestantism largely affirms all the same points about Christ as Catholicism and Orthodoxy. Differences exist but my point is that the notion that historical Christian orthodoxy has been lost as a consequence of these differences is a massive exaggeration. Consider that about half of the world's Christians are Catholic. The people split into countless denominations are a minority.

That would never had happened if there was a communicating deity.

 

[Trailblazer]

Mainstream Christianity teaches that when you die you are separated from your physical body and summoned to face judgment before God. Those who have repented of their sins and have died in the grace of God will be sent to Heaven (or Purgatory according to Catholicism) and those who have died unrepentant and outside the grace of God are sent to Hell. At the Second Coming all will be physically resurrected in an immortal body after which we will continue with our eternal existence either in Heaven or in Hell.

We all have our own beliefs, but they are only beliefs, not facts, since they can never be proven.

As I explained in my other post, there will be no Second Coming of the same man Jesus, according to the NT.
I believe that the Second Coming has already happened in the person of Baha'u'llah and most people missed it and continue to miss it.

I do not believe that Heaven and Hell are 'places' that we go when we die but rather they are states of the soul that is near or far from God.

The Baha'i concept of life after death is deeply integrated into teachings about the nature of the soul and the purpose of this earthly life. The following three-minute video explains why it is important for the soul to develop certain qualities of character in this life. Those qualities will determine where we end up in the afterlife in the spiritual world and those qualities will be needed for the journey of the soul through the spiritual world.

 

[LuisDantas]

The multiplicity of denominations and rites in Christianity is in and of itself both unavoidable and not a problem in my (very much non-Christian) view.

Much more serious and very much a problem is the diversity of core stances, which is something of a taboo among many Christians and only very rarely acknowledged as the problem for society at large that it truly is. Many of the most aggressively expansionist Christian movements are... less than ethical and less than respectable. But they are still largely recognized as "churches" and it takes a lot of effort to even minimally criticize them even when they call for criminal actions "en masse".

Now, _that_ is a scandal.

 

[Andrew Stephen]

Peace to all,

Thanks for the video and the logic is close to me as far as correct looking only in the logic, I see.

The video on the Bahai logic is close, to me. St. Paul explains the soul as a being with flesh, a Body and a spirit different from angels with only a soul and a spirit. The angels know of the coming power of mankind in heaven, and mankind will save the angels through flesh in the Body of God. To me, Flesh is the sacrifice for salvation to reopen the New Heaven and Earth, Heaven, to all the saints and angels and Old Covenant saved from the Bosom of Abraham and all the martyrs and Dismas, the repentant thief from the Cross, and Longinus, resurrected with Christ.

"Christian legend has it that Longinus was a blind Roman centurion who thrust the spear into Christ's side at the crucifixion. Some of Jesus's blood fell upon his eyes and he was healed. Upon this miracle Longinus believed in Jesus." Wikipedia, 2024

To me in logic, Without flesh in the soul of the being there was no manifestation through the soul to become righteous and justified from the spirit. To me this is how mankind as Jesus, the good works through the wonders of the mysteries of the faith in God in the Flesh becomes the spotless sacrifice for fleshes resurrection power in the New Garden or EdenAnd all through The New Eve, as resurrected heaven and earth becoming sanctified Heaven, His Passion.

To me in reference to the logic of The Kingdom of The Divine Will, Louisa Piccarreta speaks of so much in the logic she sees through the Power intrinsic from the spirit, the divine will through her Body, manifested by the works of Her soul from her writings And I see the logic as He fulfills faith and morality through the Divine Will of God. And I do have faith as we all do.


Peace always,
Stephen

 

[Spice]

, became a Quaker, and that I have no idea how much of that applies to Quakers.

Quaker worship is based on a few tenets, including silent waiting, group encounters with the divine, and a belief that God continues to communicate with people:
Silent waiting
Quakers believe that worshiping in silence can bring the community together through love and faithfulness. During this time, they open their hearts and minds to new insights and guidance, and may feel inspired to share what they discover with others. This sharing is called "ministry" and can be done by anyone, including visitors.
Group encounters
Quaker worship focuses on group encounters with the divine, rather than on dogma or creed. Quakers believe that all people are capable of experiencing the divine nature of the universe, and that they don't need a priest or ritual to do so.
Continued revelation
Quakers believe that God continues to communicate with people, and that they should share any messages they receive. They welcome truth from any source, and believe that their experience of worship is enriched by doing so.

Quaker worship also includes other tenets, such as:
No clergy
Quakers don't believe in a clergy, and feel that all believers can minister to one another.
No sacraments, liturgies, or ceremonies
Quakers don't believe in sacraments, formal liturgies, or ceremonies, and they also refuse to take oaths.
Inclusive meetings
Quaker worship takes place in local meetings that are open to everyone.
Facing each other
During worship, people usually sit on the same level and face each other in a circle or square

 

[jimb]

The fact that there is no consensus in the religion proves otherwise. Christianity unified worldwide with one unified faith would impress me over a possibility of communication with a god as it would distinguish itself as no other religion can in terms of division.

Clearly it isn't the case, which was a core reason I dropped the faith and ultimately theism altogether.

So you depend on what others believe and say? Why don't you make up your own mind about faith in God based on personal experience and personal thought?

 

[jimb]

No there is not. The thousands of existing denominations proves there is no consensus.

How many Christians do not believe that Jesus is the Christ, God's Messiah? There doesn't have to be consensus about the finer points of doctrine.

 

[Twilight Hue]

So you depend on what others believe and say? Why don't you make up your own mind about faith in God based on personal experience and personal thought?

I did for awhile but I found that inherent voice was not a god based on how it was received along with the inaccuracies associated with what I once thought was God speaking to me.

 

[jimb]

Quaker worship is based on a few tenets, including silent waiting, group encounters with the divine, and a belief that God continues to communicate with people:
Silent waiting
Quakers believe that worshiping in silence can bring the community together through love and faithfulness. During this time, they open their hearts and minds to new insights and guidance, and may feel inspired to share what they discover with others. This sharing is called "ministry" and can be done by anyone, including visitors.
Group encounters
Quaker worship focuses on group encounters with the divine, rather than on dogma or creed. Quakers believe that all people are capable of experiencing the divine nature of the universe, and that they don't need a priest or ritual to do so.
Continued revelation
Quakers believe that God continues to communicate with people, and that they should share any messages they receive. They welcome truth from any source, and believe that their experience of worship is enriched by doing so.

Quaker worship also includes other tenets, such as:
No clergy
Quakers don't believe in a clergy, and feel that all believers can minister to one another.
No sacraments, liturgies, or ceremonies
Quakers don't believe in sacraments, formal liturgies, or ceremonies, and they also refuse to take oaths.
Inclusive meetings
Quaker worship takes place in local meetings that are open to everyone.
Facing each other
During worship, people usually sit on the same level and face each other in a circle or squareView attachment 95685

Very interesting and enlightening! Thanks for posting this!

 

[jimb]

That would never had happened if there was a communicating deity.

How do you know that? Please explain your reasoning in detail.

 

[jimb]

The multiplicity of denominations and rites in Christianity is in and of itself both unavoidable and not a problem in my (very much non-Christian) view.

Much more serious and very much a problem is the diversity of core stances, which is something of a taboo among many Christians and only very rarely acknowledged as the problem for society at large that it truly is. Many of the most aggressively expansionist Christian movements are... less than ethical and less than respectable. But they are still largely recognized as "churches" and it takes a lot of effort to even minimally criticize them even when they call for criminal actions "en masse".

Now, _that_ is a scandal.

If that was true, it would indeed be a scandal. What examples can you give of Christian denominations that call for criminal actions "en masse"?

 

[jimb]

I did for awhile but I found that inherent voice was not a god based on how it was received along with the inaccuracies associated with what I once thought was God speaking to me.

So you blame "a god" based on your personal experience? And what inaccuracies did God speak to you?

 

[LuisDantas]

If that was true, it would indeed be a scandal. What examples can you give of Christian denominations that call for criminal actions "en masse"?

Ever heard of God's Assemblies? They have been attempting to enable a coup here in Brazil.

UCKG? They have been insinuating themselves in the police and military, and not only in Brazil. On the side they have been recruiting their own "soldiers".

Universal Church of the Kingdom of God - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Twilight Hue]

So you blame "a god" based on your personal experience? And what inaccuracies did God speak to you?

Clearly my God had different ideas and thoughts from others, whom their gods had different ideas and thoughts with others of whom their God had different ideas and thoughts, so in the end nobody knew what the hell God was talking about.

 

[blü 2]

Quaker worship is based on a few tenets, including silent waiting, group encounters with the divine, and a belief that God continues to communicate with people:
Silent waiting
Quakers believe that worshiping in silence can bring the community together through love and faithfulness. During this time, they open their hearts and minds to new insights and guidance, and may feel inspired to share what they discover with others. This sharing is called "ministry" and can be done by anyone, including visitors.
Group encounters
Quaker worship focuses on group encounters with the divine, rather than on dogma or creed. Quakers believe that all people are capable of experiencing the divine nature of the universe, and that they don't need a priest or ritual to do so.
Continued revelation
Quakers believe that God continues to communicate with people, and that they should share any messages they receive. They welcome truth from any source, and believe that their experience of worship is enriched by doing so.

Quaker worship also includes other tenets, such as:
No clergy
Quakers don't believe in a clergy, and feel that all believers can minister to one another.
No sacraments, liturgies, or ceremonies
Quakers don't believe in sacraments, formal liturgies, or ceremonies, and they also refuse to take oaths.
Inclusive meetings
Quaker worship takes place in local meetings that are open to everyone.
Facing each other
During worship, people usually sit on the same level and face each other in a circle or squareView attachment 95685

Thanks for that ─ much appreciated.

 

[Glaurung]

We all have our own beliefs, but they are only beliefs, not facts, since they can never be proven.

I'm not making any claims about what is true or not: only about what is taught by orthodox Christianity.

As I explained in my other post, there will be no Second Coming of the same man Jesus, according to the NT.
I believe that the Second Coming has already happened in the person of Baha'u'llah and most people missed it and continue to miss it.

I haven't read any of your posts that weren't addressed to me.

Baha'u'llah is not the only person in history to have claimed divinity. I see no reason to take his claims any more seriously than those of any other supposed godman or prophet. The truth is your religion amounts to an obscure sect few have even heard of. If Baha'u'llah really was the Second Coming of Christ then I'm sad to say it has been a big nothingburger so far.

The Baha'i concept of life after death is deeply integrated into teachings about the nature of the soul and the purpose of this earthly life. The following three-minute video explains why it is important for the soul to develop certain qualities of character in this life. Those qualities will determine where we end up in the afterlife in the spiritual world and those qualities will be needed for the journey of the soul through the spiritual world.

I watched the video and I would affirm most of its content.