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The Donald Trump Rape Trial is underway.

We Never Know

No Slack
There are several forms of battery. Rape is one of them. I even quoted from the article for you.
She is suing for battery and defamation.

Battery is a specific common law offense, although the term is used more generally to refer to any unlawful offensive physical contact with another person. Battery is defined at American common law as "any unlawful and or unwanted touching of the person of another by the aggressor, or by a substance put in motion by them". In more severe cases, and for all types in some jurisdictions, it is chiefly defined by statutory wording. Assessment of the severity of a battery is determined by local law.




Expansion to battery claim (November 2022)​

On November 24, 2022, Carroll sued Trump for battery under the Adult Survivors Act (a law passed the previous May which allows sexual-assault victims to file civil suits beyond expired statutes of limitations).[45][46] Carroll made a renewed claim of defamation, citing Trump's statements on Truth Social from October.[47][48] The suit alleges that: Trump manhandled Carroll, "pulled down her tights", groped around her genitals and raped her;[49] this reputedly left Carroll unable to develop sexual relationships.[44] Carroll sought unspecified damages for the two charges and for Trump to retract his Truth Social statements about her.

 
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Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
She is suing for battery and defamation.

Battery is a specific common law offense, although the term is used more generally to refer to any unlawful offensive physical contact with another person. Battery is defined at American common law as "any unlawful and or unwanted touching of the person of another by the aggressor, or by a substance put in motion by them". In more severe cases, and for all types in some jurisdictions, it is chiefly defined by statutory wording. Assessment of the severity of a battery is determined by local law.




Expansion to battery claim (November 2022)​

On November 24, 2022, Carroll sued Trump for battery under the Adult Survivors Act (a law passed the previous May which allows sexual-assault victims to file civil suits beyond expired statutes of limitations).[45][46] Carroll made a renewed claim of defamation, citing Trump's statements on Truth Social from October.[47][48] The suit alleges that: Trump manhandled Carroll, "pulled down her tights", groped around her genitals and raped her;[49] this reputedly left Carroll unable to develop sexual relationships.[44] Carroll sought unspecified damages for the two charges and for Trump to retract his Truth Social statements about her.

What sort of battery is she suing for?
 

We Never Know

No Slack
What sort of battery is she suing for?

Here's a clue..... Rape is a criminal offense.
Now ask yourself is Trump being tried in a criminal court?

Again........

Battery is a specific common law offense, although the term is used more generally to refer to any unlawful offensive physical contact with another person. Battery is defined at American common law as "any unlawful and or unwanted touching of the person of another by the aggressor, or by a substance put in motion by them".
 
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Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Italian culture seems to be significantly more misogynist, by your descriptions.
That aside, my comment had nothing to do with sex drives, but rather with how you implied women act upon them, as if they lacked any depth or substance.
Women aren't two dimensional cartoon characters.
I didn't imply anything. I said some women may act in a certain way... and perhaps I was using a hyperbole.
I just meant that women choose men too.
They aren't chosen by men, most of the times.
 

exchemist

Veteran Member
Yes, I pointed that out on the first page. It is a civil trial. Which is worse for Trump. In New York State a unanimous decision is not needed for a civil trial. only five sixths of the jury need to vote against him for him to lose. And jury sizes can vary in New York. If there were only six jurors the plaintiff would only have to convince five. If there were a dozen then ten, eleven, or twelve voting against him would make him lose.
Surely the bigger problem for Trump is the test the jury has to apply is balance of probability rather than beyond reasonable doubt, isn’t it? So if they think it is more likely than not, he loses. It does not have to be proved. So if it is just a matter of “he said: she said” all they need do is decide which is the more credible witness……shouldn’t be hard….:cool:
 

We Never Know

No Slack
Surely the bigger problem for Trump is the test the jury has to apply is balance of probability rather than beyond reasonable doubt, isn’t it? So if they think it is more likely than not, he loses. It does not have to be proved. So if it is just a matter of “he said: she said” all they need do is decide which is the more credible witness……shouldn’t be hard….:cool:

Trumps comment of "if you're rich, a star, powerful, etc.. They let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the *****." probably won't be seen as a good thing in this court proceedings. .
 

Estro Felino

Believer in free will
Premium Member
Trumps comment of "if you're rich, a star, powerful, etc.. They let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the *****." probably won't be seen as a good thing in this court proceedings. .
I am a logical person.
That sentence means that women are consenting.
They let you do that means they give their consent.
 

Subduction Zone

Veteran Member
Surely the bigger problem for Trump is the test the jury has to apply is balance of probability rather than beyond reasonable doubt, isn’t it? So if they think it is more likely than not, he loses. It does not have to be proved. So if it is just a matter of “he said: she said” all they need do is decide which is the more credible witness……shouldn’t be hard….:cool:
I cannot state for sure, since I am not a lawyer and it may vary from state to state, but I do believe the standard is lower for civil trials. It is a matter of the "preponderance of evidence".


EDIT: I was right:

 

Mock Turtle

Oh my, did I say that!
Premium Member
Status matters, yes, in women's choosing a man.
But you know it is often more than that in such situations where power and wealth are involved. And where many do remain silent because they probably know the low odds of winning any case against the rich and/or powerful. Hence why such a statement by Trump, although just a throwaway remark, could implicate him in the eyes of a jury - one can do what one wants if rich and/or powerful enough, including rape.
 
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SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
Intimidation, and the reality that it's probably impossible for her to prove it. She did say that she wanted to be heard, and I can understand that. However, I am certainly not assuming that he did rape her, but he does have a history of sexual assault as he even stated in the Access Hollywood recording while excusing it later as "locker room talk". I'm an old "gym rate" and if I heard some say what he did, I would have to conclude they're "morals challenged".
Carroll's accusations really put that tape in a whole other light, doesn't it?

“I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait,” Trump said. “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the p****. You can do anything.”

 

SkepticThinker

Veteran Member
IMO he was more intimidating in 2019 compared to 1996
You seem to have forgotten about #MeToo.
Plus many people have pointed out to you how people change over time.

I didn't report my rape thirty years ago because I was ashamed, embarrassed, afraid, ignorant, shy, panicky, traumatized, etc., etc.

If that same rape happened to me today - I'd tell everyone I know about it. I'd make a police report, have a rape kit test. I'd scream it from the mountain tops. I'd press charges. I'd testify. I'd do whatever it takes. But twelve-year-old me was far too shy and embarrassed to ever do what I should have done back then.
 
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