The earth is 13,000 years old and it is soon to be renewed when Christ comes

[Azakel]

Personally I want to know why it is acceptable to take one creation myth and profess it to be fact when there are creation myths all over the world from all different places and religions. Why is the Christian creation myth so dang special that some people actually want to take it as fact and even proselytize it to others? It's ridiculous.

Hell I like the Greek creation myth of the Earth(Gaia). After Chaos(the "Big Bang") arose Gaia...... and so on. It never say that is was Instantaneous and took along time. I see it as Gaia growing into what she is today. She is on old but beautiful 4.5 billion year old Goddess isn't she ^_^

P.S. I love how Pagan religions can evolve with the world.

 

[Draka]

P.S. I love how Pagan religions can evolve with the world.

Maybe that's because most Pagan religions don't have any hard scripture that they "must obey" and take as "word of god". We are allowed to communicate directly with our deities and get our answers that way. We encourage education and learning about this wonderful planet we live on and honor all aspects of nature and the balance that is required for life. No matter what pagan religion one might belong to, most have emphasis on balance, reverence for the planet, and education.

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Personally I want to know why it is acceptable to take one creation myth and profess it to be fact when there are creation myths all over the world from all different places and religions. Why is the Christian creation myth so dang special that some people actually want to take it as fact and even proselytize it to others? It's ridiculous.

Well, I agree.....

I was really impressed with the stories coming from the sumerian tablets (creation story and the flood story) and it is interesting how the biblical story matches it...but christians call it a myth......even though the tablets were written before theirs.....gives one the impression that the stories were borrowed from the sumerians....Just a thought....

 

[FFH]

Well, I agree.....

I was really impressed with the stories coming from the sumerian tablets (creation story and the flood story) and it is interesting how the biblical story matches it...but christians call it a myth......even though the tablets were written before theirs.....gives one the impression that the stories were borrowed from the sumerians....Just a thought....

Could you hook us up with a link to the Sumerian version of creation ???

I'ld be interested in reading it or at least glancing over it and finding out more about it.

 

[Popeyesays]

One day = 1000 years
13000 years * 360 days (days in Jewish calendar's year)*1000(one day=1,000 years)=4.68 billion years.

Regards,
Scott

 

[gnostic]

Try the Myths of Mesopotamia, Oxford. There are number of different myths here, but only a selected few, mostly Akkadian-Babylonian versions.

If you don't want to buy the book and if you are seriously about investigating real Sumerian literature, then I will recommend this site: The Electronic Text Corpus of Sumerian Literature. These are probably not the best translations of Sumerian texts, but you will find most what you need here.

Under Corpus Content by Category => Narratives featuring deities => Other deities, you will find the earliest Flood Story. The Sumerian Noah is Ziusudra, but spelt Zi-ud-sura at this site. There is also the Sumerian versions of Gilgamesh, which make references to Ziusudra.

Less damaged is the Akkadian-Old Babylonian about the Flood, Atrahasis from Babylonia and Ancient Near Eastern Texts. Even the Atrahasis is older than the Genesis.

 

[FFH]

One day = 1000 years
13000 years * 360 days (days in Jewish calendar's year)*1000(one day=1,000 years)=4.68 billion years.

Regards,
Scott

4 and a half billion seems to be what most are going with so hey why not 5 and a half or 6 and a half, what's so special about 4 and a half, when you're in the billions anyway ???

Just a bunk number scientists came up with to make a buck.

Why should I believe finite man's understanding of the universe, rather than God's infinite knowledge revealed to us in scripture. I even fight my fellow LDS members on this one, I'm just as perplexed with all of you, as you all are of me.

Especially Sunstone, I don't get him, he's extremely intelligent as is s2a, Tiberius, SoyLeche, etc. etc. I could go on and on. All of you are very intelligent, yet most of you believe in evolution and old earth theories.

I am just as shocked when I here you're theories of how and when the earth was created, as well as man's origins, as you all are of my theories.

It's true, I dropped out of college after attending for over a year, I was paying my own way and refused to spend another dime on professors who were teaching false philosophies and false teachings of the origins of man and the earth.

I felt compelled to drop out and thoroughly study the Bible and other LDS scripture and I don't regret doing that for a minute.

I make good money now, in spite of a lack of education, there's always room for more facts in our small finite brains, that's why I'm on this forum, to keep myself educated and grounded as to what is truth and what is not.

If you want to prove the earth is 4.5 billion years old then hook me up with a link to a Uranium 238 halo imbedded in granite, like I've done earlier, by posting Polonium halos that were formed not in thousands of years, but in days, minutes and even microseconds, proving instantaneous granite formations...

Show me a rock with Thorium 230 (half-life 80,000 years), Thorium 234 (half-life 250 thousand years) or Uranium 238 (half-life 4.5 billion years) halos imbedded in them.

RADIOISOTOPE ~~~~ HALF LIFE
Polonium-214 ~~~~~~~ 164 microseconds

Polonium-218 ~~~~~~~ 3.05 minutes

Radon-222 ~~~~~~~~~~ 3.8 days
Polonium-210 ~~~~~~~ 138 days

Radium-226 ~~~~~~~~~1,600 years
Thorium-230 ~~~~~~~~ 80,000 years
Uranium-234 ~~~~~~~~ 250,000 years

Uranium-238 ~~~~~~~~ 4,500,000,000 years

Creation's Tiny Mystery, Chapter 1: Radiohalos and the Age of the Earth, Part C

Creation's Tiny Mystery, Chapter 2: The Genesis Rocks, Part B

 

[Tiberius]

Let's not go through this again. Didn't I refute this ages ago? Why do you always bring up the same refuted tired old arguments when they've been shown false? have you no shame?

 

[Tau]

The planet Earth is around 4.5 Billion years old FFH.

Carbon dating cannot be used to calculate the age of the Earth due to the ineffiency/unreliability of the method over longer timescales.

This sourced from a quick google gives this account because frankly I am lazy.
"The most direct means for calculating the Earth's age is a Pb/Pb isochron age, derived from samples of the Earth and meteorites. This involves measurement of three isotopes of lead (Pb-206, Pb-207, and either Pb-208 or Pb-204). A plot is constructed of Pb-206/Pb-204 versus Pb-207/Pb-204.
If the solar system formed from a common pool of matter, which was uniformly distributed in terms of Pb isotope ratios, then the initial plots for all objects from that pool of matter would fall on a single point.
Most of the other measurements for the age of the Earth rest upon calculating an age for the solar system by dating objects which are expected to have formed with the planets but are not geologically active (and therefore cannot erase evidence of their formation), such as meteorites."




The magnetic field incidently fluctuates all the time with a cycle of complete polarity reversal every 5 million or so years, it intensifies and weakens naturally.
The evidence for this comes from the study of magnetic materials like iron and cobalt ore, their atoms like mini magnets pointing in the direction they were magnetised when still liquid before being frozen into that orientation when solidified.

Evolution is not linear by the way, it can be rapid or slow, its all to do with necessity, which is the mother of invention ; )

 

[Tau]

The bible simply doesnt offer a better scientific answer.

But if you doubt the scientists FFH then you may as well doubt the designers of your computer that you use to access the WWW and electronically post your message with.

Computers are the result of many sciences including and especially physics, which is the science that explains the earths age as well.

This must be a difficult position to take.

 

[Popeyesays]

Hey, you wanted to tralk about the God's day = 1,000 years, andf I showed that with your criterion of 13,000 years youy are pretty much spot on with he "scientific" concept of approximately 4.5 billion ye3ar old earth. And you spurn the vindication?

Regards, Scott

 

[Draka]

Oh geez, I'm so tired of this. Here:

Ancient rocks exceeding 3.5 billion years in age are found on all of Earth's continents. The oldest rocks on Earth found so far are the Acasta Gneisses in northwestern Canada near Great Slave Lake (4.03 Ga) and the Isua Supracrustal rocks in West Greenland (3.7 to 3.8 Ga), but well-studied rocks nearly as old are also found in the Minnesota River Valley and northern Michigan (3.5-3.7 billion years), in Swaziland (3.4-3.5 billion years), and in Western Australia (3.4-3.6 billion years). [See Editor's Note.] These ancient rocks have been dated by a number of radiometric dating methods and the consistency of the results give scientists confidence that the ages are correct to within a few percent. An interesting feature of these ancient rocks is that they are not from any sort of "primordial crust" but are lava flows and sediments deposited in shallow water, an indication that Earth history began well before these rocks were deposited.

Thousands of meteorites, which are fragments of asteroids that fall to Earth, have been recovered. These primitive objects provide the best ages for the time of formation of the Solar System. There are more than 70 meteorites, of different types, whose ages have been measured using radiometric dating techniques. The results show that the meteorites, and therefore the Solar System, formed between 4.53 and 4.58 billion years ago. The best age for the Earth comes not from dating individual rocks but by considering the Earth and meteorites as part of the same evolving system in which the isotopic composition of lead, specifically the ratio of lead-207 to lead-206 changes over time owing to the decay of radioactive uranium-235 and uranium-238, respectively. Scientists have used this approach to determine the time required for the isotopes in the Earth's oldest lead ores, of which there are only a few, to evolve from its primordial composition, as measured in uranium-free phases of iron meteorites, to its compositions at the time these lead ores separated from their mantle reservoirs. These calculations result in an age for the Earth and meteorites, and hence the Solar System, of 4.54 billion years with an uncertainty of less than 1 percent.

Source: Geologic Time: Age of the Earth

Unless the USGS is a bogus source for you, all out to discredit the bible.:sarcastic But you probably do believe some nonsense like that anyway.

P.S. - I'll be shocked if FFH responds to this at all...not just for the information presented, but I'm pretty sure the guy has me on ignore by now as he has ignored EVERY single post I've made about this so far.

 

[Popeyesays]

Oh geez, I'm so tired of this. Here:





Source: Geologic Time: Age of the Earth

Unless the USGS is a bogus source for you, all out to discredit the bible.:sarcastic But you probably do believe some nonsense like that anyway.

P.S. - I'll be shocked if FFH responds to this at all...not just for the information presented, but I'm pretty sure the guy has me on ignore by now as he has ignored EVERY single post I've made about this so far.

Okay, here it is for FFH.

Regards,
Scott

 

[McBell]

Oh geez, I'm so tired of this. Here:

Source: Geologic Time: Age of the Earth

Unless the USGS is a bogus source for you, all out to discredit the bible.:sarcastic But you probably do believe some nonsense like that anyway.

P.S. - I'll be shocked if FFH responds to this at all...not just for the information presented, but I'm pretty sure the guy has me on ignore by now as he has ignored EVERY single post I've made about this so far.​

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Well, if so, then at least he is being consistent, right?
I mean he has thus far ignored and or dismissed everything that shows he is flat out wrong, yet he desperately clings to his blatantly false teachings.

 

[Katzpur]

I mean he has thus far ignored and or dismissed everything that shows he is flat out wrong, yet he desperately clings to his blatantly false teachings.

Everything you've said is right, except that when you say "his blatantly false teachings" that implies that what FFH believes is what his Church teaches. I hope you realize that's not the case.

 

[Popeyesays]

Everything you've said is right, except that when you say "his blatantly false teachings" that implies that what FFH believes is what his Church teaches. I hope you realize that's not the case.

It's certainly clear to me. I hope the passion for marginal opinion does not interfere to much more with his existence.

Regards,
Scott

 

[Draka]

What I find interesting is the outright admittal by him that he dropped out of college because he didn't want to hear "false teachings" of facts anymore. Happier to live in his own little world of twisted falsehoods, he willingly gave up on learning about the realities of the world. Now someone tell me that isn't willfull ignorance. :sarcastic

 

[McBell]

Everything you've said is right, except that when you say "his blatantly false teachings" that implies that what FFH believes is what his Church teaches. I hope you realize that's not the case.

I understand that what FFH is teaching here is not in accordance to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints teachings.

And I did not mean to imply in way that it was.

 

[Don Penguinoini]

FFH is making sense. The world is 13,000 years old! Its, so obvious!

 

[Dirty Penguin]

Could you hook us up with a link to the Sumerian version of creation ???

I'ld be interested in reading it or at least glancing over it and finding out more about it.

Creation Story
Babylonian Enuma Elish

Flood Story (scroll down and it begins)
Babylonian Story of Deluge

There are more complete works out there on the Epic of Gilgamesh. I have the book and the similarities are amazing. Remember, back then a lot of stories were not written but passed on by word of mouth. So when it came to the writer writing Genesis it would appear it was taken from these ancient works.

Side Note: Research (Annunaki) and tell me what you think. I've often wondered if some LDS beliefs come from this. I know very little when comes to LDS beliefs but heard a few things about gods from heaven etc. Goto Youtube and type (sumerian) and some of the research is there.