The earth is 13,000 years old and it is soon to be renewed when Christ comes

[FFH]

You do realise that you took everything there out of context, right?



This is referring to the notion that those who perservere with life will be rewarded by God in Heaven. All references to "New Jerusalem" and the "city from my God" are examples of what I'd like to call metaphor. The thing about metaphor is that you're not meant to take it literally. In this case, you will notice that "New Jerusalem" and the "city from my God" refer to Heaven. End of.

This can be applied to your other quotes as well.

Once again, without LDS scripture your claims of an epic, mammoth super-cube descending onto the United States are baseless.

It's literal, not metaphorical, any way you read it.

Should we only believe only that which we have seen in this limited physical mortal world ???

God can create, move and suspend whatever volume/mass he so desires.

Gravity can be assigned to or taken away from any object. We are subject to gravity only because the Lord has designed it that way. He assigned the law of gravity to this world and he can reverse it's affects on this world or any other object. He's not bound by the laws of gravity, gravity is bound by the Lord's commands. The law of gravity obeys the Lord's command, not the other way around.

 

[FFH]

The New Jerusalem (1500 mile cubed city of Revelation 21) is briefly mentioned in the Book of Mormon.

This is literal, not metaphorical.

Ether 13: 3 (Book of Mormon)
And that it was the place of the New Jerusalem, which should come down out of heaven, and the holy sanctuary of the Lord.

Rev. 3: 12
Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is New Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

 

[McBell]

Yes..

God is all present, all powerful and all knowing.

Right there is a key difference in our beliefs.

But out of curiosity...
Why does an all knowing deity feel the need to constantly "test" his followers?

 

[painted wolf]

Ugliest city ever!

How would anyone living on the lower levels get any sunlight? Or is that reserved for the elite who live sunny side?

The more I hear about this paradise, the more dystopian and less appealing it seems.

wa:do

 

[Sententia]

Satan always seems to mimic the Lord in every last little detail, in both movies and in reality.

New Jerusalem (1500 mile cube)

Rev. 21: 16
And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.

How many bedrooms and baths? What kind of restaurants does it have? Who does the sanitation? Will we have sleep number beds, temperpedic or just plain pillow tops? Broadband? Who maintains the electrical system? If you live in one corner and want to visit people in the other, what kind of transit system will it have? Why did you paint the borg cube white? Am I going to be assimilated? Am I anymore or must I exist as we? What happens to the buildings underthat thing when it lands?

Personally this is rapidly becoming the most ridiculous line of reasoning I have ever heard but atleast its interesting.

 

[challupa]

It's literal, not metaphorical, any way you read it.

Should we only believe only that which we have seen in this limited physical mortal world ???

God can create, move and suspend whatever volume/mass he so desires.

Gravity can be assigned to or taken away from any object. We are subject to gravity only because the Lord has designed it that way. He assigned the law of gravity to this world and he can reverse it's affects on this world or any other object. He's not bound by the laws of gravity, gravity is bound by the Lord's commands. The law of gravity obeys the Lord's command, not the other way around.

God may be able to do what you're advocating, but why would s/he want to? It makes absolutely no sense to me at all, nada. For one thing, there is an entire earth to use, why would god decide that only one portion of it should be used? I have always believed in thinking outside the box but wow!

 

[Draka]

Dang! I'm allergic to yellow gold. Well, guess I don't have to worry as I won't be going there.

 

[Falvlun]

This thread is like a car wreck... I just can't stop looking.

 

[FFH]

Right there is a key difference in our beliefs.

But out of curiosity...
Why does an all knowing deity feel the need to constantly "test" his followers?

God won't give us what he can't trust us with.

If you were hiring and trainging someone for your business, would you not want to hire them on a trial basis first ???

I worked for Delta Airlines, I was hired and trained with a group of about 40 people, and we were all informed that we were all on a 6 month probation period. If we passed, we got to keep our jobs, if we failed, we were escorted out the door.

Luke 16:11
If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon (things of this world), who will commit to your trust the true riches (of heaven)?

I (FFH) added the part in parenthesis.

 

[McBell]

God won't give us what he can't trust us with.

If you were hiring and trainging someone for your business, would you not want to hire them on a trial basis first ???

I worked for Delta Airlines and we were all on a 6 month probation period. If we passed, we got to keep working for the company, and if we failed we were escorted out the door.

Luke 16
11 If therefore ye have not been faithful in the unrighteous mammon (things of this world), who will commit to your trust the true riches (of heaven)?

I (FFH) added the part in parenthesis.

If he already knows all there is to know, then what is the need for the test?
I mean, according to the omni-ness, he already knows the outcome...

 

[FFH]

Ugliest city ever!

How would anyone living on the lower levels get any sunlight? Or is that reserved for the elite who live sunny side?

The more I hear about this paradise, the more dystopian and less appealing it seems.

wa:do

You haven't read Revelation 21, where it describes some of the conditions of this city.

The gates are open, people can come and go as they please, only those who would defile it are not allowed in.

There is no need for sunlight, because there is no night there, because Christ is the light of that city and in it there is no darkness.

You're still thinking in terms of this mortal limited life, you need to think in terms of immortality/immortal life, where there is no darkness, disease, death, sickness, deformities, disabilities, ugliness, etc.

There is only light, life, health, beauty, etc. within it's walls.

In order to get the right picture this chapter needs to be examined.

Revelation 21
Those who overcome shall be sons of God—The earth attains its celestial glory.

 

[McBell]

there is no night there,
...
There is only light, life, health, beauty, etc. within it's walls.

No thank you, I'll pass.
I for one am not afraid of the dark and actually prefer the night time over the day.
Since I am neither healthy nor beautiful, I won't be allowed in anyway.

 

[FFH]

How many bedrooms

There is no night there. Sleep is a condition of mortality. Immortal bodies do not require sleep. There is no night in immortality.

and baths?

Immortal bodies are always clean, there is no such thing as dust or dirt, as we know it, in immortality. Immortal bodies also do not excrete waste.

What kind of restaurants does it have?

Food is not required to sustain an immortal body. God miraculously creates food for our enjoyment, if we so desire, no need for restaurants.

Who does the sanitation?

There is no need for sanitation in an immortal world. There is no such thing as waste in an immortal world.

Will we have sleep number beds, temperpedic or just plain pillow tops?

No need for sleep in immortality

Broadband?

Entertainment, learning, different types of work, etc. are all part of an immortal life.

Who maintains the electrical system?

Christ is the source of power, light and life of the world, and in that city.

If you live in one corner and want to visit people in the other, what kind of transit system will it have?

Immortal bodies are not bound by mortality. We can come and go as we think. If we think, so are we there. Our immortal bodies are not bound by mortality any longer. No need for cars, as we think, so are we there.

Why did you paint the borg cube white?

The New Jerusalem city walls outside the cube are made of gemstones. As far as the actual cube goes, I would imagine it would shine like the sun.

Am I going to be assimilated?

Those who are Christ's, who are worthy, will enter in.

Am I anymore or must I exist as we?

You will always exist as an individual.

What happens to the buildings underthat thing when it lands?

The New Jerusalem descends onto a "new earth" after the old earth is destroyed and recreated.

 

[FFH]

God may be able to do what you're advocating, but why would s/he want to? It makes absolutely no sense to me at all, nada. For one thing, there is an entire earth to use, why would god decide that only one portion of it should be used? I have always believed in thinking outside the box but wow!

Just as we can come and go on earth, so will we be able to come and go from that city.

In Revelation 21 it says that the "gates are never shut".

 

[FFH]

No thank you, I'll pass.
I for one am not afraid of the dark and actually prefer the night time over the day.
Since I am neither healthy nor beautiful, I won't be allowed in anyway.

You're still thinking in terms of this mortal life.

All who are Christ's at his coming will receive perfect, healthy, disease, sickness free beautiful bodies.

Even those who are not Christ's at his coming, will eventually receive a perfect immortal body, one that is not subject to death, disease, sickness, etc.

 

[painted wolf]

You haven't read Revelation 21, where it describes some of the conditions of this city.

The gates are open, people can come and go as they please, only those who would defile it are not allowed in.

um, not to nit-pick... but if this is paradise why would there be any gates?
If gates are needed to keep "those who would defile it" out... who defines defilement? If you make it into heaven but would defile the city otherwise, isn't that a bit... odd?

There is no need for sunlight, because there is no night there, because Christ is the light of that city and in it there is no darkness.

So I can't stargaze at night? Again, this sounds like a place that I don't want to be.
Constant light is used as torture you know.

You're still thinking in terms of this mortal limited life, you need to think in terms of immortality/immortal life, where there is no darkness, disease, death, sickness, deformities, disabilities, ugliness, etc.

I'm thinking in terms of joy, beauty and fulfillment. I don't enjoy any of the things you have stated are "paradise". I don't think not being moral will change that.

There is only light, life, health, beauty, etc. within it's walls.

I'm sorry but it still sounds boring, unrewarding and ultimately avoidable. Couldn't they at least have designed something that looked a little nicer than a giant box?

wa:do

 

[challupa]

Just as we can come and go on earth, so will we be able to come and go from that city.

In Revelation 21 it says that the "gates are never shut".

So there is more than just this city?

 

[painted wolf]

Just another thought... how does one get transparent gold?
Isn't that just a bit pointless?

wa:do

 

[FFH]

So there is more than just this city?

For those who "delight in the Lord" they will have the "desires of their heart" met.

Immortal life is not limited to anything. It will be this mortal life amplified into infinity. Who wouldn't want that, if it was offered to them, if certain conditions were met.

If this 1500 mile cube is symbolic of heaven, or some other sphere of existence, then so be it.

I think that the Lord is trying to show us his awesome power, in his abilities to create, suspend, move, whatever he wants.

This 1500 mile cube may be just a slice, or taste of what heaven will be like. I think the Lord will literally bring down a slice (cube) of the limitless space of heaven, for us to enjoy, while we are still preparing ourselves to inherit heaven (a Celestial world), which this earth will later become.

It's just a slice (cube) of heaven, to prepare us for heaven (Celestial world to come), which this world will become, at the end of the millenial (1000 year) reign of Christ on earth.

I believe the New Jerusalem is a literal place, yet the earth around it will still exist, and we will be able to come and go as we do now, on this mortal earth, only the earth at that time will be a paradise.

 

[FFH]

Just another thought... how does one get transparent gold?
Isn't that just a bit pointless?

wa:do

Transparency seems to be a part of heaven.

Nothing is hidden from the Lord.