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The earth is 13,000 years old and it is soon to be renewed when Christ comes
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FFH
Veteran Member
So...people in heaven will have free will, but will not sin for eternity because God will not allow the Devil to tempt them? Sounds nice!
Also, there will be no suffering or death? At all? God can really make a place like that?
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Draka
Wonder Woman
Well, if your "bliss" is stargazing and moonlight then it isn't really bliss now is it?
:ignore:More like:
Draka: Diamonds? Diamonds? I don't need no stinkin diamonds! Where the heck are my pink carnations and white roses? Go get your money back and get me some flowers dammit! Oh, and by the way, the van needs gas and we're out of milk.
(channeling Bill Engvall) Here's your sign.
Fast foward to about 35 minutes, on this Google video, and you'll get a detailed description of heaven.
Mountains (with snow), yet there is no such thing as cold there, streams, trees, flowers, grass, cities, houses, furniture, etc.
This earth is patterned after heaven.
It's not all gold, pearls and gemstones.
Listen to this detailed account. I cannot describe it like he does because I haven't experienced it.
Close Encounters Of The God Kind - Jesse Duplantis Ministries
This is 100% lies. You can clearly tell. In fact, he is even making some of it up on the spot.
Sheesh.
I knelt in my room alone. And a heavenly cable car sucked me up to heaven. Then I walked through heaven cuz I had an appt with Jehovah. Even the Angel said I had an appt. And I met a barrel chested man. Abraham. Odd Cause My fav scripture is like totally about him. I wanted to talk to him. I know god wanted to see me but I wanted to see abraham.
Are you kidding me? Copper fruit, gold goblets, flowers that watch you? This is heaven?
FFH
Veteran Member
You really did your research.
Yes, flowers that watch you, as you walk by, and copper colored fruit.
I lived in Japan for about two years and there is a fruit there called a NASHI. In America they just call it an ASIAN PEAR, but it tastes nothing like a NASHI that has been grown in Japan.
They are the sweetest and most delicious fruit I've ever tasted. This fruit alone made me want to stay in Japan along with their tangerines that taste sweeter than candy.
Nashis available in Japan are nothing like those available in the states. The Nashi's in Japan are huge, juicy and sweet. A cross between an apple and a pear....soft like a pear, but a little firmer and a lot sweeter. There is no better tasting/sweeter fruit on earth.
Nashi (Japanese pear) This may have been similar to what he tasted, with a similar color.
Nashi (Japanese pear)
Nashi (Japenese pear)
This scultptor portrays Nashis as being bronze in color.
Google Image Result for http://www.vedahallowes.co.uk/sculptures/popup/Nashi_In_Popup.jpg
The more golden/bronze in color they (Nashis) were the sweeter they tasted.
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Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
I see. So, I have a related question for you. Why does he allow so much suffering, sin, evil and death in our world? Take a look at the following things God could have prevented, but did not:
- The Holocaust
- Hurricane Katrina
- The 1918 Influenza pandemic
- The existence of Smallpox
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
roflmao!
painted wolf
Grey Muzzle
The more bronze a blue berry is the more unripe and bitter it is.
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wa:do
You really did your research.
Yes, flowers that watch you, as you walk by, and copper colored fruit.
I lived in Japan for about two years and there is a fruit there called a NASHI. In America they just call it an ASIAN PEAR, but it tastes nothing like a NASHI that has been grown in Japan.
You're repeating yourself now. My point in mentioning gold goblets and copper fruit was not to question if such things exist.
Flowers that watch you seem a little disney heaven to me. That they can't be crushed and pass through your feet unharmed is druidic or of gaia? The fragrances were wonderful. When he says praise the lord everyone for miles starts praising the lord. I don't know what's more ridiculous, the story itself or that you accept it as fact.This goes to the heart though of what seems to be the source or your unquestioning belief. A bible says, via your literal interpretation, that the earth is 13k years old. Scientists say its millions and billions.
Faced with such a choice you prefer to believe the bible over the scientists. The bible has no explanation for the why it says what it says. You have contrived all the reasons. Most of this 13,000 nonsense is from your own special interpretation of the genesis.
Genesis is a bunch of cobble together stories from many different sources based on the biblical times mind of man and their understanding of life, redacted and thrown together to get it into its present form at best.
It doesn't say why it says what it says. You just make it up. Everyone does. Some people say its allegorical, others say its supposed to be literal etc etc. The point is it doesnt really matter because you just make up whatever why you want and then read it as such.
When a scientist says millions or billions there is a real why there. There is substance. Something you can look at. You dont take his word for it or make it up. You check out the why. You read into the theory. If you dont agree... prove it wrong.
On one side you have scientists saying the earth is about 4.5 billion years old and heres why they say it and heres the theories and experiements and heres how you can prove it wrong.
On your side you have heres a book, written by the inspiration and magic of god and it says the earth is 13,000 years old and you can not dispute it or prove it wrong for it is the word of god. Here... watch this video of some preacher dude who actually went to heaven in a magic heaven cable car and then tell me I'm crazy.
As an observer, you have not even attempted to disprove or even understand the accepted age of this planet but are still proposing something entirely different based on what? The imagined notion that the book of genesis is both literal and from the mind of god which even if true would not disprove the age of the earth and would mean the god your talking about was wrong and ignorant?
FFH
Veteran Member
The Lord allows men their free agency. We are free to choose good or evil during our probationary mortal lives.
We are in a probationary mortal state. The Lord's grace is being extended towards us.
This chapter, Alma 42, in the Book of Mormon, will answer your question.
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Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
I don't understand...you were very clear that there will be free will in heaven, but no suffering, evil, sin or death. Remember? You said that God would not allow temptation in heaven and so we could go on for eternity with free will and without sin. Why does God allow temptation here? Why suffering?
I will check it out and see, thanks.
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
Hi. Just finished reading Alma 42, and I think I understand what it is saying. The chapter gives an account of the fall of Adam and Eve out of Eden. It also explains that the suffering we experience now is because of a "probationary period" where mankind can repent from the original sin of eating the forbidden fruit.
I'm sorry, FFH, but this does not answer the question for me. If God, as you say, can create a world where people have free agency but are not tempted to sin (and so life forever with out sinning), then why did he allow Adam and Eve to be tempted? Why did he not prevent the temptation that he must have known would result in the fall of man?
FFH
Veteran Member
Some people have to learn by their own experience to choose the good, rather than the evil.
Some people need to learn the hard way. Adam and Eve chose the hard road back to God. They wanted to experience the good and evil for themselves, a condition this world is currently in.
We are all here because we chose to experience the good and the evil for ourselves, so that we could choose for ourselves what we want.
Do we want to choose the good or the evils of this world.
The Lord has given us this mortal "probationary state" in or that we might experience the good and the evil for ourselves, and he must allow us to choose both good and evil for ourselves, but we are not free to choose the evil consequences of chooseing evil rather than good.
There is a definite punishment affixed for choosing evil. No soul will go unpunished, either in this life or the next, if they choose evil works in this life, unless they turn from their sins (repent) and believe in Christ and his atonement for our sins and resolve to obey all of his commandments.
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What? Are you a mafia boss all the sudden? Tell me knuckles, do I need to learn the hard way?
As opposed to the good and evils of Mars? Venus? No. You have something completely different in mind don't ya?
What Lord? What State? Probationary? Lets be blunt.
You didnt see an angel or a demon. You dont even understand the theories you are disagreeing with and you're threatening and insulting me with imaginary punishments I take offense too.
You want me to take you seriously? Prove something. Anything really. Show me whats wrong with how we date the earth and the current theory of life. Stop posting pretty pictures of chicks to prove god or quoting Alma and Genesis to me like its supposed to mean anything more then baseless nonsense.
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Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
Hey, not everyone agrees with Balance here. If you want to post pretty pictures of chicks, I think it woudl be a fine addition to the discussion.
....where is that one he already posted?.....
What about other people, 'not of this pasture', so to speak?
Surely God didn't create a whole Universe of stars and galaxies only to concentrate on one little planet?
Are there Heavens for people of other planets? Does each people get a Heaven tailored to the aesthetics of whatever biological sensory and processing system the souls had in their corporeal forms?
Surely God didn't create a whole Universe of stars and galaxies only to concentrate on one little planet?
Are there Heavens for people of other planets? Does each people get a Heaven tailored to the aesthetics of whatever biological sensory and processing system the souls had in their corporeal forms?
Kilgore Trout
Misanthropic Humanist
I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that the other 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars in the universe are somehow there for our benefit and are of minimal significance compared to the superstitious musings of ancient jewish dirt famers.
Draka
Wonder Woman
Beaudreaux
Well-Known Member
darkendless
Guardian of Asgaard
Maybe they didn't farm at all? Maybe the trend of the day was to aimlessly dig up the ground?