The "F word" for those who hate the word "feminist"

[freethinker44]

Because it is also gender issue, it involves gender. So is the discrimination that transmen endure a men's issue or not? It is a rather simple question.

Human rights issues belong to everyone. Even if it's only experienced by a minority. If their rights can be infringed then everyone's rights can be infringed the same way. It's not just a men's issue or a transmen's issue, it's an egalitarian issue.

 

[MysticSang'ha]

I'm curious, what kind of activism does egalitarians engage in? If there is inequality, what kind of teeth do y'all have to bite into the issue?

If egalitarianism is that much better, then how does it make political and cultural impact?

 

[freethinker44]

And since it should be considered a human issue, maybe I should say the same thing about that Men's Issues subforum. Why can't we just rename it Human Issues?

And get rid of the feminist forum since their issues are also human issues? Sure.

 

[freethinker44]

I'm curious, what kind of activism does egalitarians engage in? If there is inequality, what kind of teeth do y'all have to bite into the issue?

If egalitarianism is that much better, then how does it make political and cultural impact?

As far as I know it's not a movement. It should be though. That would probably go some way to help solve the group dynamic problems seen in groups that focus on a specific minority.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm curious, what kind of activism does egalitarians engage in? If there is inequality, what kind of teeth do y'all have to bite into the issue?
If egalitarianism is that much better, then how does it make political and cultural impact?

If I may be so rude as to jump in betwixt you two to answer, I don't think it is better.
Whatever calls each of us is best for us. Unless you're called to be a violent toad
sucking robber baron....that's always a bad choice.

Btw, making me way thru Orange Is The New Black.
I hate her fiance. Let's do lunch with Red.

Egalitarian organizations (IMO):
Planned Parenthood
Libertarian Party
Rails To Trails
Bacon Of The Month Club (yes, really)
Cato Institute
NRA

 

[Willamena]

I'm curious, what kind of activism does egalitarians engage in? If there is inequality, what kind of teeth do y'all have to bite into the issue?

If egalitarianism is that much better, then how does it make political and cultural impact?

It's unlikely there's any activism, they're not an organization. It's just a theory of philosophy.

While feminists might be egalitarian, the impact that egalitarianism has is definitive of our politics (democracy) and culture (avant-garde).

 

[freethinker44]

Egalitarian organizations (IMO):
Planned Parenthood
Libertarian Party
Rails To Trails
Bacon Of The Month Club (yes, really)
Cato Institute
NRA

I think the Cato institute balances the scales a little more to the wealthy/corporate side to be considered egalitarian.

And I'm pretty Rails to Trails is a neo-nazi hate factory. (hopefully it's obvious I'm kidding, but not about the Cato Institute)

 

[Revoltingest]

I think the Cato institute balances the scales a little more to the wealthy/corporate side to be considered egalitarian.

They advocate liberty for the poor, the wealthy, & the in-betweens.

And I'm pretty Rails to Trails is a neo-nazi hate factory. (hopefully it's obvious I'm kidding, but not about the Cato Institute)

I suppose that even Neo-Nazis ride bikes & commune with nature.
Perhaps the experience will reform them, eh?

My point is that organizations which support egalitarianism typically
don't use that word as a badge. Other labels predominate.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

And get rid of the feminist forum since their issues are also human issues? Sure.

The Feminist subforum is in regards to a political movement, the Men's Issues subforum is not connected to any political movement and in fact seems to be gender biased. There is a big difference.

 

[freethinker44]

The Feminist subforum is in regards to a political movement, the Men's Issues subforum is not connected to any political movement and in fact seems to be gender biased. There is a big difference.

Pot, meet kettle.

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Pot, meet kettle.

How so?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

As far as I know it's not a movement. It should be though. That would probably go some way to help solve the group dynamic problems seen in groups that focus on a specific minority.

Any reason why it isn't already? It's been stated here that egalitarianism leaves feminism in the dust.

I'm wondering how it does, what it has done for equality, and if not, why not?

 

[CynthiaCypher]

Any reason why it isn't already? It's been stated here that egalitarianism leaves feminism in the dust.

I'm wondering how it does, what it has done for equality, and if not, why not?

I am getting pretty sick of these egalitarians leaving transmen's issues in the dust. Shouldn't those issues be considered men's issues?

 

[oldbadger]

I think Feminism is a beautiful concept, just like Marxism is a beautiful concept. But I don't think equality is possible at all for human beings, at least at our current state right now. There are always competing religions, nation states, ideas. In families there are power structures, in relationships there are power dynamics. Sometimes when ideas get big enough and compete, it gets ugly and wars begin, millions die. Everything about nature is about power and dominance.

Not saying that women can't hold positions of power, I often wonder how a female dominated world would look like and it might be a welcome change. War is very dirty and is a male concept I think. In such a world competition would still be there, but violence would be less. A few millennia ago most societies were matriarchal and relatively peaceful.

Yes.... to all ^^
You wrote:-

I often wonder how a female dominated world would look like ...

This caught my eye, because (of course) in the 80's a woman dominated the UK as PM, and held some influence in the world. She was tough, brave, gutsy, outspoken and despite making many mistakes (as most politicians do), after everybody has stamped upon her for her policies ....... she was a woman. And the Feminist movement distanced itself far away from her.

I never voted for her.... but my point is this. .... As tough, brave women rise to positions of power, will the Feminist movement support any of these people? I have not heard any acclaim for the new UK government ministers who were promoted last week, for instance. I don't remember reading about any business conquering women.... maybe some were praised, but not many....

And so the Feminist movement appears as if to cherry pick its champions from places other than the groups of big, tough, gutsy leaders that are here now, and springing up..... ??

 

[oldbadger]

If we are talking about FGM, I have started threads in the past that are dated well before the establishment of the Feminist Only section...................

..... where was that, then? The Feminist Only thread has existed since June last year and the subjects chosen for concern are embarrassing when compared with what women are suffering in various parts of the world. The list is huge.......

I'm unsure if you're trying to make a point about how frivolous feminist topics of discussion are about, but I assure you that a quick search through the purple forum will show quite a few topics that are pressing. In regards to reproductive rights, violence against women, sexual assault, etc.

Bully for them...... I would expect no less, but, off-hand.... where were they? From the following list of threads, which covered any heavyweight issues in depth?
The list is endless........ just off the top......
Sewing machine slavery
Acid attacks
Gender imbalance in third world death sentences
Honour killings
Injustice for female teachers in the 3rd world
Injustice for female students in the third world
The Eastern Slave traffic
..... How many do you want?!!!! How many!!!! That you seem to ignore...?

Here is a list of Purple thread topics...........

So, this just happened.
Surnames Reinforce Patriarchy
How do you talk to women who feel this way about feminism?
RF Feminists Game of "Back to Feminist Bacon"
I'm Starting to Get Creeped Out!
Does anyone else notice this?
Kirsten Dunst makes feminists turn into shrieking feminazi harpies....or so says Dana
Why Are You a Feminist?
Since You're a Woman, You're Expected to...
Feminist Test
Were Either of Your Parents Feminists?
Men in Feminism
Sex-Positive Feminism
Feminist Dadaism?
Reform Feminism!
another **** page.
Beauty Standards
"Think of the wives!"
Man hating: what is it?
Feminism
Feminist internet laws
Smearing Feminism
Does a true Feminist wear makeup?
A Mission Statement
Poll: What color do you think we should make this forum?
Michael Kaufman and Michael Kimmel: The Guy's Guide to Feminism
Comparison of SSCRA and arguments against fair wages due to motherhood

I will reply to your points about Rogers in a separate post....

 

[oldbadger]

Shortly after the Elliot Roger shooting, any discussion that brought up the word "misogyny" about the massacre was met with a "Oh, COME ON, don't start THAT again" response and then talking about why feminism is so whiny and hateful. Even though in his many writings, he discussed what exactly he wanted to do to women and ONLY to women, because they are women who are inherently and biologically inferior and deserved to die out starving to death, but only to allow a few select to survive for breeding purposes.

So, some of us, said, "Hey, look. That's misogynistic."
.

..... and you got met with 'Oh, give me a break...!'
Yes?
Are you ready now to inspect some facts about Roger's attacks and murders?

Men Killed: 4
Women Killed 2
Men Injured 5
Women injured 2

Totals:-
Men victims:- 9
Women victims 4

Questions:-
Was Rogers in a completely psychotic mindset?
Did Rogers hate women because he could not get what he wanted?
Did Rogers hate men because he was jealous of their success with women?
Did Rogers discriminate (sexually) in his killing spree?
You answer the questions.... you make you own judgement

Now I've got to list the victims because it would be wrong to overlook their names:
Died:-
Katie Cooper
Veronica Weiss
Welham Wang
Chris Michael-Martinez
Chen Yuan Hong
George Chen

Injured:
Chris Johnson
Megan Carloto
Nick Pasichoke
Bianca De Kock
Elliot Gee
Patrick Eggert
Kieth Cheung

 

[oldbadger]

I am getting pretty sick of these egalitarians leaving transmen's issues in the dust. Shouldn't those issues be considered men's issues?

Transmen's issues?
I looked up Transmen on google and got loads of dating sites.
What is this about?

 

[Revoltingest]

..... and you got met with 'Oh, give me a break...!'
Yes?
Are you ready now to inspect some facts about Roger's attacks and murders?

Men Killed: 4
Women Killed 2
Men Injured 5
Women injured 2

Totals:-
Men victims:- 9
Women victims 4

Questions:-
Was Rogers in a completely psychotic mindset?
Did Rogers hate women because he could not get what he wanted?
Did Rogers hate men because he was jealous of their success with women?
Did Rogers discriminate (sexually) in his killing spree?
You answer the questions.... you make you own judgement

Now I've got to list the victims because it would be wrong to overlook their names:
Died:-
Katie Cooper
Veronica Weiss
Welham Wang
Chris Michael-Martinez
Chen Yuan Hong
George Chen

Injured:
Chris Johnson
Megan Carloto
Nick Pasichoke
Bianca De Kock
Elliot Gee
Patrick Eggert
Kieth Cheung

This reminds me of the old Mort Sahl joke.
It's a hypothetical Times headline about nuclear armageddon:

WORLD ENDS, WOMEN & MINORITIES HARDEST HIT

 

[MysticSang'ha]

..... where was that, then? The Feminist Only thread has existed since June last year and the subjects chosen for concern are embarrassing when compared with what women are suffering in various parts of the world. The list is huge.......


Bully for them...... I would expect no less, but, off-hand.... where were they? From the following list of threads, which covered any heavyweight issues in depth?
The list is endless........ just off the top......
Sewing machine slavery
Acid attacks
Gender imbalance in third world death sentences
Honour killings
Injustice for female teachers in the 3rd world
Injustice for female students in the third world
The Eastern Slave traffic
..... How many do you want?!!!! How many!!!! That you seem to ignore...?

Here is a list of Purple thread topics...........

Wow. You totally missed where I said I brought it up several times before the establishment of the feminist only dir, in the open forums. I've been at RF longer than you, in case you failed to notice, and it's strange how you have not answered my question about what egalitarians have done for equality other than boasting how they're not hateful or supremacist like feminists are claimed to be.


Plus, the DIR is there for feminists to talk about feminism. Not to pass your litmus test of whether or not we're compassionate enough to the plights of women around the world.

So, again, with all that you've mentioned about gender inequality, what has egalitarianism done for them? What is it doing, and how can I contribute?

 

[MysticSang'ha]

..... and you got met with 'Oh, give me a break...!'
Yes?
Are you ready now to inspect some facts about Roger's attacks and murders?

Men Killed: 4
Women Killed 2
Men Injured 5
Women injured 2

Totals:-
Men victims:- 9
Women victims 4

Questions:-
Was Rogers in a completely psychotic mindset?
Did Rogers hate women because he could not get what he wanted?
Did Rogers hate men because he was jealous of their success with women?
Did Rogers discriminate (sexually) in his killing spree?
You answer the questions.... you make you own judgement

Now I've got to list the victims because it would be wrong to overlook their names:
Died:-
Katie Cooper
Veronica Weiss
Welham Wang
Chris Michael-Martinez
Chen Yuan Hong
George Chen

Injured:
Chris Johnson
Megan Carloto
Nick Pasichoke
Bianca De Kock
Elliot Gee
Patrick Eggert
Kieth Cheung

Oh, my....I didn't notice! Thank you so much for pointing out the gender of people who were killed! It completely demolishes the argument that Elliot Rodger was a misogynist because he killed not just women! I was blind before but because of you now I see! His manifesto meant nothing!! His activity in the PUA community and anti-PUA community meant nothing!!

/sarcasm

Give me a break. Read his manifesto and get back to me. You're perpetuating the myth that misogyny doesn't even exist anymore.